There are some here who sometimes might discourage new startups with the truthful facts that they dispense. They mean to help not to discourage, but if you read some of those posts carefully, they sure don't read that way all the time. That is where the most put downs show up in this forum in my opinon. There are many very large electrical contracting outfits in this land, but most if not all can trace the roots back to some old sparky and his pickup truck. So I like to encourage all the new startup guys, difficulty or not enough business sense nontheless.