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#171837 - 12/06/07 08:00 PM Tamper resistant: 406.11  
leland  Offline
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Will the shutterd covers cover this requirement?
Or as stated else where, will we need the GFCI brkrs for kitchen and bath.

I still think... What the Hell are they thinking?
My house does not have toddlers, and if it did, I would like to think I would be there to raise them.
I made it 46 yrs, never stuck anything in a rec. been in the trade for 22, and still have never stuck anything in a rec..aside from test equipment..(12ga jumper etc.).
What gives? Are we that stupid as a society that we need this!!!?
If we are then we don't need this. Natural selection will take its course....AS IT SHOULD!.


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#171838 - 12/06/07 08:05 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: leland]  
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Unforteally IMO the code some case getting out of the hand but this matter i feel kinda it cross the line a little over the portion on this sisuation and yeah i have 3 daughers in my house and they made it thru without any issue with the repectales..

to use the tamper resistant repcales in new construction i know it will be enforeced in the code but i think some states will override this one. [ i havent got any info on my state code yet but once it printed in the " ink " i will know for sure what it will take a effect with it ]

Merci, Marc


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#171842 - 12/06/07 08:23 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: frenchelectrican]  
leland  Offline
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Well, In Massachusetts Its' in there.
And they most certainly know whats best for us.
I'm about to digress, but I won't, thats for a different forum.

So My question is for the inspectors out there, I know we have a few....

Are the shutterd covers acceptable?
Wording clearly states...."Tamper resisitant receptacles".

By The way, I pulled 3 permits today and am planning at least 2 for next week.


#172005 - 12/10/07 07:42 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: leland]  
leland  Offline
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any thoughts?


#172020 - 12/10/07 10:53 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: leland]  
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Florida is skipping the 2008 as far as I know. I certainly haven't heard any hue and cry to cherry pick this and the expansion of AFCI out to add to the Florida building code like they did for the softening of the paver grid in a pool.


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#172022 - 12/10/07 11:02 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: gfretwell]  
leland  Offline
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Thats good, Maybe, I'm not sure.
But since this Marilyn woman started posting me (wich is very nice and helpfull)I have never noticed how many States don't even consider the new code untill the next one is due.
Here, (MA) Almost like we write our own then adapt it to the NEC.
We're already in print and ready for Jan-1-2008 (effective date).
(my understanding and exp).
Spose' that aint' a bad thing, Limited guessing on what they want.


#172044 - 12/11/07 06:05 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: leland]  
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Well...I suppose we will just have to wait....by the 2014 code cycle all receptacles will be gfci/afci/tamper resistant protected. Of course the price of a home service will have risen to about $10,000.00 but everyone will be happy because they are so safe right??? :P

Well maybe not the home owners but the electrical manufacturers association and the contractors who don't care about raping thier clients sure will be.

I'm sorry but in this case the NFPA has gone way beyond it's mandate and has given in to lobbying. It must be nice to have a tame quasi-government/insurance/AHJ agency that can tell millions of people they have to buy your completely worthless product.

Two years ago everyone said this would never happen...it was far too obvious an excursion of NEMA power on the code making process...opps, I guess someone forgot to mention that to NEMA.

So now that we can obviously see who is making the code for this country and why without any doubts, are you willing to take it back from them?

The process is open to anyone....get involved and stop the madness.


#172249 - 12/16/07 08:59 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: ausador]  
leland  Offline
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start stock piling GFCI brkrs. You won't need the rec anymore.


#172571 - 12/21/07 12:10 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: leland]  
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Local GFCI recs are still convenient, so you don't have to go the whole way to the garage/basement every time you trip it. I can see homeowners demanding them, even if GFCI breakers end up with a slight price advantage.


#172572 - 12/21/07 12:19 PM Re: Tamper resistant: 406.11 [Re: SteveFehr]  
KJay  Offline
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Hi SteveFehr,
Where can I find those those tamper resistant GFCI receptacles?
I can’t find anything but standard duplex.

TKX


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