Rich, I was going to send you a link to Holts site, for more views on pricing techniques, and varying opinions.

I don't know if that was appropriate or not, so I thought it should be left off the board.

As for my views on flat rate?

It is not my intention of plundering any one system, and my views may not be the main stream here. I post thoughts and counter thoughts, with the hope that whoever reads them sees 2 or more options, and the good as well as the bad with any one system. And I have a real problem with the thought that anyone not using a "flat rate" system is somehow "dragging the industry down".

Any system done ethically, will work.

It's keeping it ethical, that seems to be the problem.

With thoughts like,
Take the customer for everything, because your going to do work for them once in your lifetime.
And,
I love stupid customers who don't know enough to get 3 estimates.
And
Take them for as much as you can because they can go get more.

You know what I am talking about.

So as for not liking some of the "flat rate" experts here.
I'll opt out, of being in your club.

But remmember, not all of the "flat raters" think this way.
Some are very good. And ethical.
We just need more of them to join this site.