Well, mahlere made a statement last year, that unless we changed our ways of operating, the big guys were going to eat our lunch, and he was correct, they moved in and they took over the marketing, by using in your face ad's, quick response, and up front prices, so far about 6 Local EC's have left the business, and 2 more big guys came in, and they are busy 24/7 with prices twice what we were charging, and they are hiring, and putting on trucks, while the others are laying off and parking trucks, so the whole idea of you can't get decent pricing, for jobs, is not a fact, they charge more and are growing.