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#92631 04/01/05 12:25 AM
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Would the code require me to install a 120v receptacle in the space for a free standing 240v range?


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#92632 04/01/05 12:59 AM
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Why would you think it could?
Maybe I don't understand the question


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#92633 04/01/05 07:27 AM
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We have inspectors that feel that the wall space for a free standing range should have a 120v outlet installed in case the homeowner elects to install a gas range even when he specs on the job call out an electric range.


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#92634 04/01/05 10:24 AM
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I don't know how this applies to US code or what (can't see an issue with it), but I will tell you what they do in new houses up here where I live...

They will run 8/3 to the stove, and 10/3 to the dryer location. If you tell them straight out that you have gas appliances (either or both), then they will cap off one hot wire, pigtail the other hot and a neutral to #14s, and put in a 15 A receptical. Then, in goes a 15 A breaker at the panel.

(In the case of the dryer, this is *in addition* to the dedicated laundry circuit.)

It's easily reversable at any time because the wire size is correct. It would just require changing the receptical and installing a new breaker.

[This message has been edited by jdadamo (edited 04-01-2005).]

#92635 04/01/05 09:08 PM
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We have inspectors that feel that the wall space for a free standing range should have a 120v outlet installed in case the homeowner elects to install a gas range even when he specs on the job call out an electric range

How nice. [Linked Image]
Do they also have you install a 50 amp 240V range circuit if there is a gas stove going in? What if they ever want an electric range?
Simple answer NEC does not require this and if they are under the NEC they have no authority to make you do it. What is even worse than them requiring it is the fact that I am sure some guys do it either not knowing better or just to "keep the inspector happy".

#92636 04/01/05 09:21 PM
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This issue is addressed in the NPPA/ IAEI book, "Analysis of Changes 2005 NEC. Pg 46, in discussing 210.52(C), and its' accompanying artwork, helps clarify that the area behind a range does not count toward receptacle requirements.
While it does not specifically address the matter of a free-standing range, I believe that the provision applies to ALL ranges- free standing or counter mounted.

But- why not install one anyway? Ranges used to have a convenience receptacle built in ( power tapped from range circuit inside the appliance). In many kitchens, this was the only convenience receptacle! At any rate, the cook will often wish to use a mixer, etc., while at the stove.

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renosteinke,
210.52(C) only applies to countertops. 210.52(A)(1) applies to the space behind a free standing range and requires a 125V, 15 or 20A receptacle if the space is 24" or more in width.
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Edit- nevermind, completely misread what I was replying to.

[This message has been edited by SteveFehr (edited 04-01-2005).]

#92639 04/02/05 08:53 AM
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Common sense has to prevail sometimes in our work. "Free standing range".... maybe I am not sure what that really is???? As most ranges in the areas I have seen are up against the wall. Maybe someone can explain what one really is.
How does 210.52(B)(4) fit into this mix?


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#92640 04/02/05 09:12 AM
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Someone is confused here? Is it me. I thought the question was do you need a 120v receptacle behind an electric range? The range is powered by a 40 or 50 amp 240v receptacle. The answer is no you do not need an addtional 120v receptacle in that space just in case they install a gas range at some time.

[This message has been edited by Electricmanscott (edited 04-02-2005).]

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