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#91489 01/20/05 10:44 AM
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Had a contractor ask me if it is okay to install a Service panel in a bedroom. Based on the controversy over AFCI's in bedrooms I thought this was an interesting question. What would be a proper response to this question?


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I think the code is silent about that.


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Installing a panel in a bedroom is fine. A panel isn't an outlet, in my opinion.


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There are those that say that any box that has a neutral and a hot in it should be considered an outlet. I don't happen to be one of them. But if you are one than I guess you would not install or permit the installation of a panel in the bedroom [Linked Image]

Edited for spelling not content.

[This message has been edited by George Little (edited 01-20-2005).]


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I had an apartment (that was built sometime around 1990) in Silicon Valley California that had the panel in the bedroom, behind the door. I suppose they chose that location as tennants would not place furnature in front of the panel as it would block opening the door to exit the bedroom (panel was in wall pependicular to the wall that the door was in). .

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People can argue it any way they want. It is not an outlet. It is allowed in a bedroom.

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Take a look at this thread:
https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000718.html

and ask that question again. [Linked Image] Admittedly violent failures like that are rare, but how would you feel if it happened in your bedroom?

Frankly, I wouldn't feel o.k. with it. Just my opinion.

I'd rather the damn thing be in the living room!

Edited for spelling.

EDIT #2: Here's another example:
https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000838.html

[This message has been edited by mxslick (edited 01-21-2005).]

[This message has been edited by mxslick (edited 01-22-2005).]


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We cannot install electrical equipment with the thought that something disastrous is going to occur. If we did, we would go back to candle light dinners [Linked Image].

Regardless of that, it is permitted to be installed in bedrooms.

Pierre


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#91497 01/22/05 05:34 PM
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A panel isn't an outlet, in my opinion.
I don't see how it could be classed as an outlet either.

From Article 100:
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Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.

#91498 01/23/05 04:45 AM
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We cannot install electrical equipment with the thought that something disastrous is going to occur. If we did, we would go back to candle light dinners .

Regardless of that, it is permitted to be installed in bedrooms.

I think candlelight dinners are cool! [Linked Image]

I also agree with PCBlarge's statement, we cannot assume the worst when any thing is installed. :thumbs up:

But by the same token, as we've all seen in real life and in this forum, just because it's permitted doesn't necessarily mean it's the smart (or safest) thing to do.

Like wa2ise had posted, I too lived in an apartment with the breaker panel in the bedroom (the smaller of the two rooms). I used that room as an office. And that panel had no high-current (or 208v) loads served from it. (The complex was 208/120 service.)

My other apt. in Central Calif. had the panel located in the laundry "closet" with the washer and dryer. Again, no high loads. (Gas dryer.) (Of course, now the working clearance was questionable at best...)

So really, I guess to clarify my position, IF there were no Range, Elect. dryer or water heater loads served I would be o.k. with a bedroom panel, NOT located in the master bedroom. Otherwise, no way. I'm kinda stubborn like that. [Linked Image]


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