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#89428 09/15/04 05:34 PM
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#89429 09/16/04 03:57 AM
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Maybe we should lobby for a holiday. "Test it day", preceding "Get it replaced day", followed by "Pay your bill day". It would be a long week-end for everybody but us!


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It is in the manufacturers dreams that the home owner would test monthly, that a real world surveys found a lot of 2+ year olf gfis no longer worked as a gfi. Now we have the new smart lock GFI at higher cost.
I wonder when the AFCI will have a simular survey showing manufacturers dreams are junk again.
Any body who thinks that the home owner/building manager is going to spend time and/ or money pushing test buttons on GFI or AFCI is not playing with a full deck.


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Any body who thinks that the home owner/building manager is going to spend time and/ or money pushing test buttons on GFI or AFCI is not playing with a full deck.
And even worse, these devices are not "fail safe". When the electronics quit working, you still have power, but you don't have the protection.
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#89432 09/20/04 03:12 PM
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e57, nesparky, and resqcapt19:

I posted this information for a specific purpose to share what I found on the UL site!

So what you people are saying is that the information that I posted is not of any use?

Did you people test your own GFCIs recently?


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Joe,
I don't think that this information has any real use in this forum...it may in a home owners or a DIY forum. And, no I don't test monthy and keep a log as required by the manufacturer's instructions. I wonder if this is a listing and labeling requirement or just a manufacturer's instructions?
Don

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Thanks JOe,
It WAS a good reminder. I think about this stuff at work (city insp.) but when I get home, they brain is on standby. I'll check 'em when I get home. All it can do is protect my family, Right!!!

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Joe,
my appologies, right after you posted this , I came in with a wise %^& remark, and set the tone for mocking the idea. (Although, it was not my intent.) Sorry chief,

Mark


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Mark:

No problem, I just wanted to take the time to post an image that I developed, with the thought that some would use it to teach customers, or people with some interest in this subject, how to properly test that product.

UL Information for Testing GFCI
http://www.ul.com/consumers/groundfault.html

My deck has been around for a long time, and I am still capable of producing a royal flush, or a winning hand once in a while.

What are your experiences with GFCIs?


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Dare I say it, "Installation, and later, replacement."

You install it, and no-one ever tests them. Although it says "Test monthly" on it.

And the replacement after it stops providing power, which is usually some time after it stopped acting as a GFI.

Personal opinion: Where required, and the idea behind its operation is fine. Do not deny the need for them. Unfortunatley, manufactures know full and well the product is flawed. The weak circuit design is "planned obsolesence", as they know it will only operate for a limited amount of time before it needs to be replaced. (It's a cash cow) And most, when they do fail, leave the circuit un-protected. Although they have been required, and on the market for some time, have had little product improvement. GFCI's should have been designed "Fail Safe" long ago.


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