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#215031 - 02/23/15 10:28 PM clearance from gas meter and regulator  
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Am I correct that there is no regulation concerning the proximity of an outdoor receptacle to a gas meter/regulator?


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#215037 - 02/24/15 05:47 AM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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Locally, a gas Service and an electric Service have to stay three-feet away from each other.

I can't say as I've EVER run across the issue.

But then, I work the commercial side of the street.

I'm always surprised about what's gotten by residential inspection.

... and service call 'improvements'...



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#215040 - 02/24/15 09:17 AM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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Originally Posted by triple
Am I correct that there is no regulation concerning the proximity of an outdoor receptacle to a gas meter/regulator?


No, you need 3 feet of clearance from the regulator vent in any direction. This is a Gas Code Regulation.

Here is one Gas Companies rules...

https://pse.com/accountsandservices/Construction/Documents/3885.pdf

Page 4 has electrical specs...

I once had a situation where we couldn't get the full 3ft of clearance for a utility meter and the plumber piped the vent away from the regulator to comply.





#215043 - 02/24/15 01:35 PM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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I see that there is some variation in requirements from place to place.

Some places would consider a receptacle as a possible source of a spark. Others would not worry.

Some places would measure from the regulator, while some rules speak of the entire assembly.

And, of course, requirements have changed over time. For example, Reno, Nv., used to require the gas meter and the electric meter to be clustered together today there is a separation requirement. This detail can greatly complicate service changes.

Isn't it amazing how utilities have no problem posting their standards on the internet for free access- while the NFPA screams that no codes are possible unless they have a legal monopoly? Hmmm .... but I wander laugh


#215046 - 02/24/15 05:27 PM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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It is interesting that the International Gas Code says this in reference to roof top installations

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306.5.2 Electrical requirements. A receptacle outlet shall be provided at or near the appliance location in accordance with NFPA 70. [M]


I don't see anything about clearance


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#215049 - 02/24/15 09:27 PM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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That would be the appliance, not the gas service.

Where it might matter is in your placement of the A/C disconnect and service receptacle, in relation to the gas service.


#215050 - 02/24/15 10:13 PM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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That was all I found but I will keep looking.
The gas code is written like the NEC but different. Things don't just jump out at you. Anyone have an article number?

I have not seen it discussed around here.


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#215054 - 02/25/15 12:09 AM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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I have seen the regulation in Gas Company specifications rather than code. Most that you can review online specify 3 feet of clearance from sources of ignition.



#215055 - 02/25/15 12:11 AM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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Or maybe...

National Fuel Gas Code 54-5.7.2.3


#215059 - 02/25/15 02:25 AM Re: clearance from gas meter and regulator [Re: triple]  
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5.7.2.3 Gas meters shall be located at least 3 ft (0.9 m) from sources of ignition


I am not sure that means "receptacle".


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