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Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211679 11/10/13 12:22 PM
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Special license? Please ....

Sure, let's take a failed approach (licensing, permits, and inspections) and repeat it. Heck, failure might succeed if you try it often enough!

Alarms turned off? Same owners as today? Management - whether at the hotel or for contractors - sure is quick to assert total authority. How about some liability to go with that?


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Re: Electricians charged [Re: renosteinke] #211680 11/10/13 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by renosteinke
Special license? Please ....

Sure, let's take a failed approach (licensing, permits, and inspections) and repeat it. Heck, failure might succeed if you try it often enough!





This was actually brought up at the last IAEI chapter meeting here in Tucson, AZ. I will find out more but from what I gathered at the last meeting there will be an additional certification required on your license in order to do pool wiring. There will also be an additional certification for solar installations required. It was only breifly mentioned and I don't even know if it was being proposed only on a local level or at the NEC level. Pools and solar are a pretty big thing here.

Re: Electricians charged [Re: shortcircuit] #211681 11/10/13 01:40 PM
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There is a series of checks and balances that failed. All the special licenses wouldn't help here. Why didn't the contractor send a competent crew? Where was the quality control from the contractor? What a permit required for the work? Was it inspected? Why didn't the electrician bone up on Article 680 before turning on the power?

Complacency and greed will always trump any credential


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Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211682 11/10/13 01:49 PM
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Maybe the guys doing the road shows selling CEUs should be including a swimming pool module in their suite of courses and make it a punch you need for license renewal, particularly in places where pools are prevalent.

The basic concepts of pool wiring are not really that complicated. Basically you bond everything and you use a GFCI everywhere. The exceptions are few and it doesn't hurt if you do extra bonding or GFCI things that don't require it.

It sounds like these guys worked on a "broken" pool light and disabled the GFCI to get it going. That seems to be the only thing they could have done to draw a criminal charge.
I still have questions like were they licensed? Were their supervisors charged? I am sure Hilton will be sued.



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Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211683 11/10/13 03:28 PM
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On the company's website:
"We hire licensed Electricians that have been educated through an electrical trade school. "

They didn't have a permit, but needed one according to the Houston Building Dept. I think the guy that made the decision not to get a permit should be charged right along with the 2.


The family sued both the Hilton, and Brown Electric Inc.
Hilton has the deep pockets, but has no more culpability other than hiring the company in the first place, IMO



Re: Electricians charged [Re: electure] #211684 11/10/13 04:38 PM
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Several Hilton hotels are franchises so the local owner, no cooperate would get sued


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Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211685 11/10/13 09:17 PM
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By the way, a child was swimming in the pool and was being shocked by the defective light, the man that died had jumped in and save the child before he drowned, or was electrocuted.

Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211686 11/10/13 09:49 PM
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I bet they find bonding issues too, if it ever gets that far.


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Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211687 11/10/13 11:04 PM
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Code changes? How about ... we stop putting lights in pools?

Reflections at night might keep you from having a clear view of the bottom? How is that any different from every lake, pond, or stream out there?

Re: Electricians charged [Re: WESTUPLACE] #211688 11/11/13 02:10 AM
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They have a lot safer options than a 120v light. 12v lights are common and they also have a fiber optic light with no electricity in the water at all.


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