ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat Box
Recent Posts
Lock-down Thread
by Bill Addiss - 02/27/21 01:16 PM
Northern Tool Recalls Powerhorse Generators
by Admin - 02/25/21 09:49 PM
You will never guess
by gfretwell - 02/25/21 07:48 PM
New tool
by SMOKEYBOB - 02/15/21 04:59 PM
New in the Gallery:
Facebook follies, bad wiring
FPE in Germany pt.2
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 13 guests, and 16 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
A couple of common violations around town #188545 08/17/09 02:51 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 73
B
Bigplanz Offline OP
Member
First one is at a Speedway gas station. Not sure where the line goes, but the flex has been yanked right out of the pole. Should have used something more robust.

Second is on the side of an apartment building in downtown Louisville. Some random person just decided to, oh, take a screw off a LB.

[Linked Image from stevelutzphoto.smugmug.com]

[Linked Image from stevelutzphoto.smugmug.com]


2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: Bigplanz] #188553 08/17/09 12:36 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,335
S
sparkyinak Offline
Member
That first pic, the sealtite is, er was connected to the pole wit a PVC make adapter and it appears to be only 2 wires. wheres the ground?...and no, it is not under the pole. :P


"Live Awesome!" - Kevin Carosa
Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: sparkyinak] #188556 08/17/09 01:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 783
L
LarryC Offline
Member
Quote
That first pic, the sealtite is, er was connected to the pole wit a PVC make adapter and it appears to be only 2 wires.


Are those low voltage cables or line votage wires? They may have come up into the pole base and then went to another location.

Larry C

Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: LarryC] #188557 08/17/09 03:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,233
HotLine1 Offline
Member
Let's look at 410.30....
One of the disregarded items when it comes to repairing of underground lighting circuits....

"(2) Where raceway risers or cable is not installed within the pole, a threaded fitting or nipple shall be brazed, welded, or attached to the pole opposite the handhole for the supply connection. "

The KO hole in the handhole may have been a previous patch job.

I usually trip over this situation while passing thru the lots to do another inspection; naturally...noone has a clue who did it, when, or why.

The landlord/owner has corrections made after a violation is issued.



John
Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: HotLine1] #188561 08/17/09 04:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 73
B
Bigplanz Offline OP
Member
I didn't have a pen tester with me to check if the lines were hot, but I assume they were. The one on the light pole was somewhat unusual. It looks almost like lamp cord, but surely it isn't. I didn't get close enough to get a good look. If I'd had a screw driver and screw with me, I would have put the cover plate back on the LB. I'll stick a screw driver and screw in my pocket the next time I'm headed over that way. I'll call in the broken sealtight to Metro Property Maintenance.

Last edited by Bigplanz; 08/17/09 04:51 PM.
Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: Bigplanz] #188562 08/17/09 06:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,287
electure Offline
Member
Perhaps the cable in the first picture is a Low Voltage cable, for a camera or speaker mounted somewhere up on the pole??

I think that PVC terminal adapter is not listed for the purpose. Matter of fact, I'm surprised that the flex didn't just pull out of the glued fitting before the TA snapped at the pole.
A proper sealtight fitting should be used.



Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: electure] #188564 08/17/09 07:51 PM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 806
N
NJwirenut Offline
Member
That conduit body in the second pic appears to have been modified. Looks like an LB, that has had an extra port drilled into the side. Kinda of a cross between an LB and a T...

Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: NJwirenut] #188565 08/17/09 08:02 PM
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 745
E
EV607797 Offline
Member
I thought the same thing. I'll bet that the missing screw was rusted and probably broke off when they were opening the cover. They probably kept it closed with a white cable tie that eventually failed due to sun rot. I see that stuff around gas stations all the time, especially when electrical connections were made for pay phones, vending machines, air pumps, etc. by unqualified people.


---Ed---

"But the guy at Home Depot said it would work."
Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: EV607797] #189115 09/20/09 03:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 155
C
crselectric Offline
Member
dont tell me youve never drilled your own hole in the side of a pull body, as long as u use gaskets on the locknut wheres the problem, listing?

Re: A couple of common violations around town [Re: crselectric] #189116 09/20/09 03:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
renosteinke Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Well, CRS, are the small matters of cable fill, bending radius, and -arguably- suitability for use.

Oddly enough, in such situations I have almost always been able to replace the conduit body with a proper box - with surprisingly little effort. If the job is a real nightmare, just use two boxes and another splice.

As far as that light pole goes, I have drilled and tapped 1/2NPT threads in several similar situations. I was not aware of the braze/weld requirement. I must stress, though, that you either need that metal to be really thick, or put lock nuts on both sides of the hole. I don't like doing this, simply because the pipe is generally then subject to damage.

I could go on for pages as to how I think poles should be wired ... and I have many pictures of various attempts to bring power to poles. I can't think of a better situation to illustrate the difference between 'good trade practice' and 'code minimum.' All I'll say at this point is that 'code minimum' installations are generally unable to be maintained or repaired.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Featured:

2020 National Electrical Code
2020 National Electrical
Code (NEC)

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
HCE727
HCE727
Delaware County, PA, USA
Posts: 186
Joined: November 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Popular Topics(Views)
275,535 Are you busy
209,427 Re: Forum
196,827 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3