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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island #123156 03/17/06 07:42 AM
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yaktx the island shown here requires two receptacles.

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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island #123157 03/17/06 07:59 PM
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Guys,

Just for the sake of argument: is the raised breakfast bar behind the sink still part of this island? If it is and if it is wider than 12" then this island only requires 1 receptacle. 210-52 (c) (2)

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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island #123158 03/22/07 04:36 PM
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Hello code experts!
I stumbled onto this forum while researching island receptacle issues from a designer/installer's point of view-I am impressed with the breadth of knowledge that is out there! I am currently working with many high-end customers who do not want to see their expensive furniture grade islands ruined by electrical fixtures. I have devised an idea for concealing outlets below the counter in a tilt down arrangement. When not in use they would be concealed behind a drawer front. My electrician seems to think that if they are concealed they would not meet code. Any thoughts?

Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: larry.sb] #160730 03/25/07 07:49 AM
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My customer didn't want to see her "ugly receptacles" either! So I hinged the false door panels and made them real doors!


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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: electure] #160734 03/25/07 09:19 AM
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Now that Scott's straightened y'all out, how about this:

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I can also look at this and see a knee wall behind the sink, with a peninsula extending from the knee wall.

In this interpretation, the countertop in line with the sink would fall under the 2'/4' rule, and the receptacle on the end of the "peninsula" would be required once more.

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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: larry.sb] #160735 03/25/07 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by larry.sb
I have devised an idea for concealing outlets below the counter in a tilt down arrangement. When not in use they would be concealed behind a drawer front. My electrician seems to think that if they are concealed they would not meet code. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't say concealing the receptacle could be cited as a violation, but requiring the end user to run the cord for their small appliance through a "doorway or similar opening" could potentially be cited.


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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: georgestolz] #160761 03/25/07 01:24 PM
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210.52 (C)(5) requires the receptacles to be readily accessible. It then goes on to exclude receptacles in appliance garages from consideration as the required receptacles.

This section begins with 'receptacles shall be above' .... but then gives conditions for placing them below the counter.

Some might consider receptacles in a drawer to not be "readily accessible." Just concealing them behind, say, a flip-down panel would appear to be allowed by the NEC.

Unlike some of my other threads, this one was not started to focus on the inadequacies of the NEC. Rather, I wanted to focus cabinet designers on the NEC requirements ... so they could incorporate the receptacles into their designs.

I would not be at all surprised if, eventually, factory made cabinet panels come with receptacles already installed, listed for field assembly.

Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: electure] #160815 03/26/07 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by electure
[quote]I am amazed at the number of islands I encounter that seem designed to make it impossible to mount receptacles.


Since when have architects ever designed anything with the electrician, mechanical or even plumber in mind?


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Re: Required Receps in Kitchen Island [Re: renosteinke] #160816 03/26/07 09:12 AM
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"Rather, I wanted to focus cabinet designers on the NEC requirements ... so they could incorporate the receptacles into their designs."--WELL SAID SIR! I can't begin to count the times I have had to re-design projects in the field to satisfy different code issues not addressed in the initial design process. There are many ways to meet these requirements and each situation is different depending on budget, line of sight, etc., but it is very hard to reconcile these issues in the field when the client has a pre-conceived notion as to what the project will look like. Is there a guide or summary of NEC that addresses the code requirements of kitchens and baths for designers?

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