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#111621 - 01/10/07 07:40 PM Can You Dig It?  
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Joined: Dec 2000
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Fullerton, CA USA
Here's something Trollog found:

I watched the lo-volt guys come in and install a conduit from one building to another. This was their handiwork.

Pic 2 shows the path their conduit took from building to building.

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#111622 - 01/10/07 08:25 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
renosteinke  Offline
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Something like that ... almost makes me want to open the box, damage the wire, bury it all real nice .... then call them for a warranty repair.

Honestly ... to bury a junction box that way ... what were that thinking?

#111623 - 01/10/07 10:22 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
trollog  Offline
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Posts: 276
San Diego California USA
And the lo-volt guy's response was "hey, its just lo-volt"

good luck pulling that thing again someday. This was done by an out-of-area sub. Still no excuse, but also too little oversight.

#111624 - 01/10/07 10:56 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
mahlere  Offline
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Posts: 507
New Jersey
however, i do believe it's legal....technically speaking...

#111625 - 01/11/07 04:39 AM Re: Can You Dig It?  
Luketrician  Offline
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Posts: 272
Sale Creek, TN USA
Hypothetically speaking, if this wasn't low voltage, this would be a violation of 314.29 wouldn't it?

Luke Clarke
Electrical Planner for TVA.

#111626 - 01/11/07 09:14 AM Re: Can You Dig It?  
ghost307  Offline
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 921
Chicago Illinois USA
314.29 allows it...depending on what's covering the box. Dirt is a no-no, but gravel is okay.


#111627 - 01/11/07 01:32 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
cschow  Offline
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 41
Boise, ID, USA
Does that pull box have a tee going off of it or is it just a through run? If the latter is true, then I can't see how that box would be necessary, unless you have too many bends.

Sure, doing it legal is one thing and doing it legal and correct is another.

Hope some expensive landscaping is going over it.

#111628 - 01/11/07 09:25 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
trollog  Offline
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Posts: 276
San Diego California USA
Yep, too many bends. Count the 90's.. I count 7. I'll try to get another picture of a different building in the same complex that I happened to spy today with 585 degrees of bend and no pullbox. These guys are classic..

#111629 - 01/12/07 10:27 AM Re: Can You Dig It?  
renosteinke  Offline
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That box looks to be at least a foot down. IMO, there's a world of difference between a light covering of bark (or gravel) ... and placing it that far down.

I suspect that the low voltage guys will no longer consider this buried box acceptable after the first service call.

Ironically, despite the gasketing, I find that dirt and water still manage to get in those boxes. The use of an "N-9" handhole would have been a better solution.
(An "N-9" is a fiberglass tubular handhole, with a mid and open bottom. Overall size is about the same as a 5 gallon bucket).

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#111630 - 01/12/07 10:18 PM Re: Can You Dig It?  
CTwireman  Offline
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Connecticut, USA
I wonder if CA's certification program will put an end to this.



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