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Prove What's Wrong Here #106303
05/02/05 10:01 PM
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This pic goes into the category of things you just know are wrong....but where is code violated?

What you see is a duplex receptacle mounted in a 3-0 box. It is attached where the box cover usually attaches. There are covers made for this box that hold a single receptacle, but not a duplex. An oversize receptacle coverplate will just about cover the front of the box.

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Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106304
05/03/05 12:23 AM
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I just took a duplex just like that out of service today and it had a Raco Dup cover made of stamped steel.

Rob

Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106305
05/03/05 12:38 AM
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I may have 1 or 2 scenarios to ponder as violations:

<OL TYPE=1>

[*] Is this Outlet Grounded (Box and Receptacle) - via an EGC?


[*] Is there adequate free Conductor length in this Box?
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And the most obvious: Why no cover? (hee hee [Linked Image] ...)

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Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106306
05/03/05 12:54 AM
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John :


i did see cover for 3-0 and 4-0 verison have duplex verison but i dont like it not much becasue the older cover only have single screw to hold the repectaile in place the later cover have two screw or three screw to really lock the repetcale in place i know Raco do make it


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Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106307
05/03/05 09:56 AM
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You learn something new every day....

I've never seen the duplex cover for the smaller (3-0) box...didn't know there was one. Maybe this is OK after all?

Sierra- sharp eye! You are correct, the old romex has no ground wire.
As for "free conductor" length, that I'm not so sure about; back then there was no such requirement. Conductors often had insulation skinned off them as they passed through the box, and a very short pigtail twisted and soldered in place, then wrapped with tape.

Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106308
05/03/05 04:24 PM
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Box should be a device box so that the device can be properly installed.


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Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106309
05/03/05 06:02 PM
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Joe,
The manufacturers make covers for duplex recptacles in octgon boxes, so why would this be an improper installation? (assuming that the cover was actually installed)
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Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106310
05/03/05 06:23 PM
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Don:

I am aware of that cover, and I am commenting on this "incorrect" installation.

The receptacle on the round cover is secured to the octagon box using the two 8/32 screws that are used to secure the entire assembly.

The installation here is not correct under any circumstances!


Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106311
05/03/05 06:37 PM
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I've seen many of these that have the mounting ears/yoke cut off right at the recptacle. The receptacle is held to the cover with the single 6-32 in the center of the cover, while the cover itself is screwed to the box with the usual 8-32s.

Re: Prove What's Wrong Here #106312
05/03/05 07:03 PM
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Here is that cover --- and the proper receptacle is made without a yoke (strap) and the single 6/32 screw is actually a violation since this would be a "cover mounted" receptacle.


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