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Posted By: Admin Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 02:01 AM
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This pic goes into the category of things you just know are wrong....but where is code violated?

What you see is a duplex receptacle mounted in a 3-0 box. It is attached where the box cover usually attaches. There are covers made for this box that hold a single receptacle, but not a duplex. An oversize receptacle coverplate will just about cover the front of the box.

- renosteinke
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Posted By: sierra electrician Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 04:23 AM
I just took a duplex just like that out of service today and it had a Raco Dup cover made of stamped steel.

Rob
Posted By: Scott35 Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 04:38 AM
I may have 1 or 2 scenarios to ponder as violations:

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[*] Is this Outlet Grounded (Box and Receptacle) - via an EGC?


[*] Is there adequate free Conductor length in this Box?
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And the most obvious: Why no cover? (hee hee [Linked Image] ...)

Scott35
Posted By: frenchelectrican Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 04:54 AM
John :


i did see cover for 3-0 and 4-0 verison have duplex verison but i dont like it not much becasue the older cover only have single screw to hold the repectaile in place the later cover have two screw or three screw to really lock the repetcale in place i know Raco do make it


Merci , Marc
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 01:56 PM
You learn something new every day....

I've never seen the duplex cover for the smaller (3-0) box...didn't know there was one. Maybe this is OK after all?

Sierra- sharp eye! You are correct, the old romex has no ground wire.
As for "free conductor" length, that I'm not so sure about; back then there was no such requirement. Conductors often had insulation skinned off them as they passed through the box, and a very short pigtail twisted and soldered in place, then wrapped with tape.
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 08:24 PM
Box should be a device box so that the device can be properly installed.
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 10:02 PM
Joe,
The manufacturers make covers for duplex recptacles in octgon boxes, so why would this be an improper installation? (assuming that the cover was actually installed)
Don
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 10:23 PM
Don:

I am aware of that cover, and I am commenting on this "incorrect" installation.

The receptacle on the round cover is secured to the octagon box using the two 8/32 screws that are used to secure the entire assembly.

The installation here is not correct under any circumstances!
Posted By: electure Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 10:37 PM
I've seen many of these that have the mounting ears/yoke cut off right at the recptacle. The receptacle is held to the cover with the single 6-32 in the center of the cover, while the cover itself is screwed to the box with the usual 8-32s.
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 11:03 PM
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Here is that cover --- and the proper receptacle is made without a yoke (strap) and the single 6/32 screw is actually a violation since this would be a "cover mounted" receptacle.
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/03/05 11:17 PM
Joe,
Now I see the problem. Thanks.
Don
Posted By: Joe Tedesco Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/04/05 12:41 AM
Don

You are welcome!

Joe
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/04/05 01:15 AM
A little detail here....the pic of the cover is a cover for the larger "4-0" box. The duplex receptacle will not fit in a 3-0 unless installed corner-to-corner. So far, I have only been able to find covers for a 3-0 that have a single receptacle mounted on them.
Posted By: sierra electrician Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/04/05 02:53 AM
The cover I removed was for a 3-0 box, the recept mounted to the box as in your photo and the cover had provision for the 6/32 in the recept only. I should not have thrown it out for the sake of this thread.

Rob
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/04/05 03:08 AM
Thanks, Sierra.....I didn't know that.
Posted By: frenchelectrican Re: Prove What's Wrong Here - 05/04/05 03:49 AM
Joe : i am well aware with this type of cover and iam not crazy with at all{ dang i am swearing myself how to tranfser the photo here so ican show you more clear idea with it ] i know the Raco company did have diffrent cover for 4 inch octganal box it have 3 screw holes for it , 2 for yoke and center one to hold the repecticale but for some reason i did look at the catalog book it only show the same as Joe's photo have it but i am sure there is other company do make it with 3 holes there


Merci, Marc
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