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INSTALLED BY AN UNQUALIFIED ROPE-A-DOPE!! ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/jt/ropeadope.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/eek.gif)
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Is this what is meant by a balanced load? ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/biggrin.gif)
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Wow, GE must be proud.
Truthfully, that is special California-qualified seismic 'medical' hemp rope. The rope also meets the new state transformer-energy savings.
No comment about the custom sprinkler-pipe suspension.
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How about....
"but Mr. Inspector, it's only TEMPORARY, 'till we rebuild the room underneath it"
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Any idea how much such a transformer weighs? Few hundred pounds of iron, I assume.... That black pipe.... Oh boy.......what will happen if that thing springs a leak? Look on the bright side, you'll have water gushing down on this disaster to put the fire out quickly. HEY, by the way...how tall a stick do you need to pull down that knife switch handle? I wish this were a cartoon. Now....where's the coyote when you need him? [This message has been edited by SvenNYC (edited 10-08-2003).]
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"Balanced load"
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wouldn't the coyote be proud? seriously though, where did ya say ya wanted that transformer mounted? for extra $20 well throw in an extendo stick to cut the power off! ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/smile.gif) [This message has been edited by circuit man (edited 10-09-2003).]
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Maybe someone stole the floor. That metal stud wall on the right seems to also be floating.
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Sven this looks to me to be a basic 30 to 45 KVA 480-208/120 transformer, I would be surprised if it weighs more than 250 to 350 lbs. Still quite enough to ruin your day. I am not defending this at all, but to me this looks like the work of demolition contractors, every thing we can see looks in a state of demo. I would hope no EC would leave this like this, ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/frown.gif) 20' - 25' of unistrut and some threaded rod you could have this properly supported in under an hour. [This message has been edited by iwire (edited 10-09-2003).]
Bob Badger
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Hey,
It works, don't it?
If it works, it must meet CODE !
Thats the way some of my previous super's thought.
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Bob's reply to Sven reminds me of something I told an apprentice one time. We were moving a 112.5 KVA transformenr with a couple pieces of 3/4 EMT under it to use as rollers. I told him "this is how the egyptians used to move transformers"! He said "Wow! I didn't know the egyptians used transformers"! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!
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Ryan: He was pulling your leg! Ask him to go and get an adjustable needle nose pliers, or a can of blue steam! I have some other views of this "Rope A Dope Installation" and when I find them I will post them.
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We were moving a 112.5 KVA transformenr with a couple pieces of 3/4 EMT under it to use as rollers. I told him "this is how the Egyptians used to move transformers"! He said "Wow! I didn't know the Egyptians used transformers"! LOL I was once involved with moving a 60,000+ lb piece of equipment a few feet. We did it like the Egyptians, rollers under the four legs. No not EMT but solid steel bars about the diameter of 1" EMT Bob
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Ask him to go and get an adjustable needle nose pliers, or a can of blue steam! Two favorite ones for sending apprentices to the stores at BT was for a can of tartan paint and an AC battery.
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"Wow! I didn't know the egyptians used transformers"!
Of course they didn't. Thats why they had to watch TV in the dark.
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Redsy: Of course, they were watching this: ![[Linked Image from 65.108.216.53]](http://65.108.216.53/elec/pyramid.jpg) (That's Dick Clark hosting the "$10,000 Pyramid" which evolved into the $100,000 Pyramid.)
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But my foreman told me to prevent vibration.
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Gives new meaning to
floating neutral."
BTW, I believe that sprinkler pipes are supposed to be hung in a manner that will support the pipe, water, plus 300 lbs.
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Maybe he used this method so he could apply the "hanging free in air" amperage tables?
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Here's the rest of the ROPE-A-DOPE Story! ![[Linked Image]](https://www.electrical-contractor.net/jt/trans1.jpg) Mr. Tedesco,
While on a site observation in Grand Island, NY, I noticed this transformer (See attached photos). The space was vacated in April of 2003, and I was there to verify existing conditions of the electrical and mechanical systems for a future tenant.
Needless to say, a few things will have to be fixed.
I am an Electrical Engineering grad from the University of North Dakota with two years in the design/consulting field.
I was a three year electrical apprentice before and during my high school and college days. I am now an EIT, for Dunham Associates in Bloomington, MN.
I have sent these pictures around to other engineers (not only electrical, but structural and mechanical also).
Its unbelievable that a contractor would actually do this.
I thought you might enjoy (or cringe) at these pictures.
Scott Rieger, EIT [This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 10-16-2003).]
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This is a HIGH VOLTAGE Installation (get it?)
With a floating Neutral!
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