"but if you are trying to justify handymen by saying that there are a few incompetent electricians with a license that dog wont hunt"
No, I agree, I am absolutely not justifying the incompentant to do the work. It was just kind of my point that not every crummy installation I have ever ran across was done by a handyman type. I think as a trend the people found on these boards, even the DIY are very conciencious. The DIY boards are full of "want to do it right" types.
