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#201504 - 06/05/11 06:43 PM Pools are not my strong point.  
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My neighbor is getting a permanent above ground pool and yours truly gets to run the power. No heater. The only thing it needs is a generic 120V GFI for the pump/filter unit (which draws 7 amps, has a 3' cord and straight blade plug). The pool guy wants a post with the GFI 5' from the pool so he doesn't have to run longer pipes. I'm telling him no way, a disconnect can be 5' but if there is a recep involved for the the pump/filter (with a straight blade plug) the recep must be 10' (680-22A1). He says "That's what we always do". To which I responded "You're always wrong". (We're on 2008 here). Am I missing something or is he full of it?


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#201505 - 06/05/11 07:17 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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Cut to the skinny, above ground pools require a 3' cord, #12 EGC, nad a twistlock receptacle, protected by a GFI breaker or deadfront. Location not less then 6' from pool as long as the preceeding are met. A general purpose GFI protected receptacle (in addition to) must be 10' minimum, and 20' maximum from pool.

Don't forget 680.26 bonding; eq. 'band' approx 18" around pool perimeter, bonded to frame at 4 equal locations, bond the filter motor and the pool water via a skimmer approved device. Bond is #8 solid, bare copper.

Refer to Article 680 for full code language.



John

#201507 - 06/05/11 07:47 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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*680.23(A) changed

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(3) Dwelling Unit(s). Where a permanently installed pool is installed at a dwelling unit(s), no fewer than one 125-volt, 15- or 20-ampere receptacle on a general-purpose branch circuit shall be located not less than 1.83 m (6 ft) from, and not more than 6.0 m (20 ft) from, the inside wall of the pool. This receptacle shall be located not more than 2.0 m (6 ft 6 in.) above the floor, platform, or grade level serving the pool.


I suppose if you piped the pump out 3 feet and used your 3' cord it could plug into this receptacle with a 5-15.


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#201508 - 06/05/11 09:36 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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All the bonding is done by the factory, that's not an issue. The twist lok is an option, not a requirement and as you say, that only makes it 6'. My issue is that he insists that 5' is legal for the factory plug and I can find no possible way to make 5' legal for a plug connected pump. Am I missing some exception that makes 5' a legal distance for a plug connected pump? (The convenience recep is also not a prob, we already have one 15' from where the pool will end). This old house has a fuse box, not breakers. That makes the twist lok dependant on a dead head GFI (since we can't install a GFI breaker) which we really don't wanna do. I'm trying to get the pump unit piped to meet the 10' requirement. I guess what annoys me most is that he insists he "always does this". We're in WV where there are no AHJ inspectors. We have to call an "approved" inspector to come approve it. If he "always does this", what does that say about these independant inspectors?


#201510 - 06/05/11 09:57 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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Contact AHJ. I have done this a couple of ways. Seems the Manufacturer's go the most cost effective way possible. I have never had to put a twistlok in but I did have to put the receptacle 6' from the pool. Which means the motor must be within 3' for the cord to reach.

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#201511 - 06/05/11 10:30 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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Steve:

You said.."All the bonding is done by the factory, that's not an issue"

Please explain how all the bonding is done at the factory??



John

#201512 - 06/05/11 11:18 PM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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The code got whacky in 2008. If you call the receptacle "for the circulation and sanitation equipment" it needs to be a single twist lock (presumably so you can't plug anything else in) but you can put a regular 5-15 duplex in the same 4" box and call it a general use receptacle (that used to have to be 10' away). It sounds like the guys who wrote 680.23(A)(1) did not get the word from the guy who rewrote 680.23(A)(2).

As for the bonding, yes the factory provides a lug to bond the pool shell and perhaps the ladder to the pump but you still need to bond the perimeter surface. That is what John is talking about.


Greg Fretwell

#201513 - 06/06/11 08:43 AM Re: Pools are not my strong point. [Re: Steve Miller]  
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Ya'll are correct, bad choice of words on my part. I should have said "the factory provides for all the bonding connections". The factory does not bond anything, they merely provide the lugs at the connection points: I run the #8 between all of them. Sorry about that, I was merely trying to make that a non issue as far as my work goes.



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