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#173970 - 01/24/08 11:39 AM Running romex in same joist space as water?  
chimo  Offline
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I'm re-routing some circuits on a residential kitchen project, and was wondering:

Can you place electrical runs in the same wall cavity with plumbing? Good/bad practice? Could this be against code in some areas?


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#173971 - 01/24/08 11:54 AM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: chimo]  
JValdes  Offline
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Yes, but I cannot quote an article to back it up. I know it is done all the time and I would not hesitate to do it myself. Someone else may disagree and provide an article for us. But I think the answer is yes.


#173972 - 01/24/08 11:55 AM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: chimo]  
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I don't see anything against doing so, but experience has suggested a few complications you'll need to address.

Pipes take up space. This can mean there's no room for a box, anchoring the cables can be difficult, and that the cables will need additional protection when the piping pushes them too close to the wall.


#173997 - 01/24/08 10:16 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: renosteinke]  
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I had a HO/plumber who forbid me from running romex in the same stud/joist space as his copper pipes. He claimed electrolisis (sp?) causing pinholes in his copper. He was/is the only plumber that ever identified this as a problem. BTW I run romex in the same bays as plumbing.


#174007 - 01/24/08 11:38 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: excellencee]  
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Welcome aboard excellencee, from another member from the Commonwealth of PA.

Ian A.


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#174023 - 01/25/08 01:50 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: Theelectrikid]  
macmikeman  Offline
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You can. However, if the spacing is tight, you might want to consider the ambient temperature if you find that your cables are physically touching the hot water pipe. In that case de-rating may be required, depending also on the length of the contact.


#174025 - 01/25/08 02:04 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: macmikeman]  
Zapped  Offline
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In the same joist/stud bay? Sure. I've worked with so many plumbers I couldn't begin to take a swing at the number, but I've never heard anything about electrolysis or any such thing like that.

Touching? No. Hot water, cold water, doesn't matter. Not a good idea. Vibrations, heat, cold, etc. There are too many variables to even consider doing this. You can get around them without problem. If not, at least use some pipe insulation jacket between your wire and the pipes.

Good Luck!


#174038 - 01/25/08 03:50 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: Zapped]  
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We do it all the time over here, where hot-water central-heating systems are the most widespread so it's common to have copper pipework running all over the house, not just in the kitchen/bathroom areas.




#174216 - 01/29/08 01:50 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: pauluk]  
mikesh  Offline
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Plumber often wrap BX to prevent electrolosis but romex is no problem as it is insulated. excellencee's HO/plumber was thinking bx but he was a plumber and what does a plumber know about electrical installations ;-)


#174223 - 01/29/08 07:03 PM Re: Running romex in same joist space as water? [Re: mikesh]  
WireNuts29  Offline
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I have first hand experience with a hot water pipe going to the shower, melting into the range feed in my parents house.The house was built in early 70's. this happened probably 6 years ago. The problem most likely started as soon as the house was occupied. But over time the romex jacket and conducter jacket was melted. the only reason for finding the problem was a random shock when getting in the shower, and touching any grounded metal around it. I.e the handle, or drain. I've never seen this problem anywhere else. From then on I always maintain a healthy spacing when running romex anywhere near hot water pipes.


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