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Does an attic fan need illumination? #99199
07/28/06 05:56 PM
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ShockMe77  Offline OP
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I'm working in a new single-family dwelling and in the attic is a level above the attic (without a staircase), and on this level is an accesible attic ventilation fan. Would a lighting outlet be required for this location per NEC?

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Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99200
07/28/06 08:33 PM
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George Little  Offline
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My answer is "Maybe"
It would need illumination in the attic with a switch located at the entrance to that attic space if that is where you would be servicing it. NEC 210.70(A)(3)
I see a lot of attic fans that are meant to be serviced from the roof side of the attic. For that you are reqiored to wear a miners cap w/lamp. [Linked Image]


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Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99201
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I say "not required." As I see it "servicing" means regular, routine maintenance.... and not the possibility that someday it might break.

Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99202
07/29/06 10:15 AM
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Shock:
I tend to lean towards George's opinion.
As you said 'new house', and someone may define the attic fan as mechanical equip, it may be 'required'. Also for consideration for a decision/opinion would be....can this 'space' be defined as "storage".....
that said, you may want to install a light, and save all the debate.

John


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Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99203
07/29/06 02:08 PM
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John:

I totally agree that a light should be installed. A pullchain or whatever. But my boss is too cheap to "giveaway" even a pullchain. It's as if he'd rather argue with the inspector about it then just doing it. If I were an AHJ I would expect to see one in this particular case. Thanks for the insight.

Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99204
07/29/06 05:17 PM
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But my boss is too cheap to "giveaway" even a pullchain.


When and if you own a company you can giveaway anything you want.

Until than you can do what the boos says or find a new place to work.

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It's as if he'd rather argue with the inspector about it then just doing it.


It's his company to make that decision.

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If I were an AHJ I would expect to see one in this particular case.


If the unit is designed to be serviced from the roof than IMO you would be out of line.

JMO, Bob


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Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99205
07/29/06 07:37 PM
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The t-stat and electrical connections are all made inside the house in the attic. And I understand everything about this being "his business" and all that. However, this is July and it is hot. When the time comes for inspection it'll be even hotter. So guess who'll have to go up into that steaming hot attic to install a light?

Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99206
07/29/06 07:48 PM
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So guess who'll have to go up into that steaming hot attic to install a light?


LOL

Not him? [Linked Image]


Bob Badger
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Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99207
07/29/06 08:14 PM
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ShockMe77  Offline OP
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Me!

Besides, this guy I'm working for now seems to be a total jacka$$. It really is unbelievable how this guy gets by, A month ago on the job, he had me and a helper remove standard receptacles in a kitchen (non-countertop) and replace them with GFCIs. I did it anyway then so showed him in the Code later that I did not have to do it. This contractor is a total hack and the only reason why I'm still with him is the fact that the shop is less than 3 miles from my house. On the first day of working for this guy he handed me a 15 amp single receptacle and told me to wire it up to a 20 amp microwave line. That should give you some sort of idea of who I'm working for these days.

Re: Does an attic fan need illumination? #99208
08/03/06 11:17 PM
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Steve T  Offline
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ShockMe,

Did you get paid for installing those GFCI's?

I used to have guys work for me that complained about doing some things. Unless it is not to code and you feel a moral and ethical obligation not to do the work, if your boss asks you to carry a ladder back and forth across the job all day, do it and don't ask questions.
If the boss wants financial analysis, he'll ask for it. Most bosses won't ask a worker to be involved with the money. If he goes broke because you are wasting time, he's going to go broke sooner or later anyways.

If someone paid me to install GFCI's for every receptacle in the house, I'd be glad to be working, and happy knowing I have gone above the minimum requirement of the code.
As long as the check clears.

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