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SE cable #93838 06/20/05 03:19 PM
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JoeRossi Offline OP
Sorry I can not get a picture, but I red-tagged a contractor because he put a service behind the shutter of a window. I sited 110.12 because he could have moved it over 8" and it would not be behind the shutter.
Than an arguement started and has continue.
Any thoughts

Joe Rossi
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Re: SE cable #93839 06/20/05 03:47 PM
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Greg Fretwell
Re: SE cable #93840 06/20/05 03:55 PM
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JoeRossi Offline OP
Yes it is
Joe has given me two usernames and two passwords, but for some reason I can not sign onto that site.

Joe Rossi
Re: SE cable #93841 06/20/05 08:16 PM
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renosteinke Offline
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The pics, and discussion, are also at "SE Cable behind window shutter" in the "Photos submitted for discussion" forum

Re: SE cable #93842 06/27/05 12:01 AM
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Larry Fine Offline
I would like to ask Joe a few questions:

What is the concern? Do you just not like the way it looks, or is it something more?

Damage to the cable from either the shutter's installation or future fasteners?

Proximity of the window? Do we know whether the cable or the shutter was there first?

I'm no inspector, but I would allow it, if I could be certain the cable is safe.

Larry Fine
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Re: SE cable #93843 06/27/05 09:43 PM
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Celtic Offline
I think it looks like crap...plain and simple.

IMHO, 110.12 applies. This is NOT a workmanship like manner - the cable does not need to be behind that shutter, so why was it put there?

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Re: SE cable #93844 06/27/05 09:48 PM
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gfretwell Online Content
I suspect the shutters were added after the service was installed.
One of those "honey they had shutters on sale at Home Depot and I got us some, put them up please"

Greg Fretwell
Re: SE cable #93845 06/28/05 06:51 AM
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Dnkldorf Offline
Ok, I have to disagree with the inspectors here. Sorry about this, but you can't fail them for shotty workmanship.

If we remove the shutter, from the picture, say it was never there, could you fail them for workmanship? NO. From the picture, it looks like an everyday installation.

Now, let's say the electrician does his job, and then the next day, the HO installs the shutter. Is it the electricians fault? Once again NO.

To blame the electrician for shotty work, would be a slap in the face to the electrician. Blaming whoever put up the shutter, would be the appropriate avenue.

If the HO wants a shutter there, pay the electrician to pull another permit, pay him to relocate it, and pay him to have it inspected again.

I feel the electrical inspector, should have put a hold on the inspection, not red tag it.


Re: SE cable #93846 06/28/05 09:33 PM
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HotLine1 Offline
OK, the cart before the horse routine..

Service probably was 'existing' when the shutters were installed...can't say 'for sure'...but no self-respecting Sparky would do that around here! The POCO's frown on hiding any service conductors behind anything.

"Workmanship" is NOT an item that can buy a red sticker in NJ. But as we all know, if it's a 'sloppy' job, you can find a 'good' fail item. If I came upon this for an inspection, I would put it on "Hold" & the EC would get a phone call for an explanation.

This could happen when the EC FAILS to call for an inspection in a timely manner.


Re: SE cable #93847 06/29/05 05:48 AM
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JoeRossi Offline OP
I looked at the tech card and when I went to inspect the job it was about a three month time period. I did ask what came first the new service or the shutter and I did not get a straight forward answer. As far as I am concerned, when I go to inspect a job for a service, or any other job, it has to been done as per NEC 2002 unitl 2005 is adapted in New Jersey. I do not believe the EC did this job, but his name is on the permit so therefore he his responsibe. The Red Tag stands.

Joe Rossi
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