ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Voltag Drop
by Texas_Ranger - 08/18/22 04:37 PM
Back From Retirement
by Bill Addiss - 08/16/22 09:19 AM
Upside Down ThreeWay
by gfretwell - 08/12/22 12:30 AM
Load Calcs for EVs and RVs
by gfretwell - 08/12/22 12:24 AM
Wiring method choice
by HotLine1 - 08/10/22 03:39 PM
New in the Gallery:
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 40 guests, and 19 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
#93838 06/20/05 03:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 26
J
Member
Sorry I can not get a picture, but I red-tagged a contractor because he put a service behind the shutter of a window. I sited 110.12 because he could have moved it over 8" and it would not be behind the shutter.
Than an arguement started and has continue.
Any thoughts


Joe Rossi
Stay up to Code with the Latest NEC:


2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
Pass Your Exam the FIRST TIME with these Exam Prep Combos:
 

>> Master Electrician Exam Prep     >> JourneyMan Electrician Exam Prep
 

#93839 06/20/05 03:47 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,718
Likes: 11
G
Member


Greg Fretwell
#93840 06/20/05 03:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 26
J
Member
Yes it is
Joe has given me two usernames and two passwords, but for some reason I can not sign onto that site.


Joe Rossi
#93841 06/20/05 08:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,329
Cat Servant
Member
The pics, and discussion, are also at "SE Cable behind window shutter" in the "Photos submitted for discussion" forum

#93842 06/27/05 12:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 693
L
Member
I would like to ask Joe a few questions:

What is the concern? Do you just not like the way it looks, or is it something more?

Damage to the cable from either the shutter's installation or future fasteners?

Proximity of the window? Do we know whether the cable or the shutter was there first?

I'm no inspector, but I would allow it, if I could be certain the cable is safe.


Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.
fineelectricco.com
#93843 06/27/05 09:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 361
C
Member
I think it looks like crap...plain and simple.

IMHO, 110.12 applies. This is NOT a workmanship like manner - the cable does not need to be behind that shutter, so why was it put there?


~~ CELTIC ~~
...-= NJ =-...
#93844 06/27/05 09:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,718
Likes: 11
G
Member
I suspect the shutters were added after the service was installed.
One of those "honey they had shutters on sale at Home Depot and I got us some, put them up please"


Greg Fretwell
#93845 06/28/05 06:51 AM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,064
D
Member
Ok, I have to disagree with the inspectors here. Sorry about this, but you can't fail them for shotty workmanship.

If we remove the shutter, from the picture, say it was never there, could you fail them for workmanship? NO. From the picture, it looks like an everyday installation.

Now, let's say the electrician does his job, and then the next day, the HO installs the shutter. Is it the electricians fault? Once again NO.

To blame the electrician for shotty work, would be a slap in the face to the electrician. Blaming whoever put up the shutter, would be the appropriate avenue.

If the HO wants a shutter there, pay the electrician to pull another permit, pay him to relocate it, and pay him to have it inspected again.

I feel the electrical inspector, should have put a hold on the inspection, not red tag it.

Dnk......

#93846 06/28/05 09:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,305
Likes: 6
Member
OK, the cart before the horse routine..

Service probably was 'existing' when the shutters were installed...can't say 'for sure'...but no self-respecting Sparky would do that around here! The POCO's frown on hiding any service conductors behind anything.

"Workmanship" is NOT an item that can buy a red sticker in NJ. But as we all know, if it's a 'sloppy' job, you can find a 'good' fail item. If I came upon this for an inspection, I would put it on "Hold" & the EC would get a phone call for an explanation.

This could happen when the EC FAILS to call for an inspection in a timely manner.

John


John
#93847 06/29/05 05:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 26
J
Member
I looked at the tech card and when I went to inspect the job it was about a three month time period. I did ask what came first the new service or the shutter and I did not get a straight forward answer. As far as I am concerned, when I go to inspect a job for a service, or any other job, it has to been done as per NEC 2002 unitl 2005 is adapted in New Jersey. I do not believe the EC did this job, but his name is on the permit so therefore he his responsibe. The Red Tag stands.


Joe Rossi
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
MarkC10
MarkC10
CA, Inland Empire
Posts: 43
Joined: September 2013
Top Posters(30 Days)
BigB 6
Popular Topics(Views)
295,173 Are you busy
226,753 Re: Forum
211,911 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5