ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
LED retrofit flickers
by rmiell. 01/18/19 08:49 PM
Israel
by Texas_Ranger. 01/14/19 07:12 AM
Free Code class in Maryland 1/16/2019
by Admin. 01/12/19 05:43 PM
Calling all Non-US members!! (Non-US only)
by RODALCO. 01/12/19 02:37 AM
sec cable code conflict
by jake2018. 01/11/19 07:36 PM
New in the Gallery:
What is this for?
Plug terminals
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 14 guests, and 10 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Grounding Generators #77050
04/19/01 03:54 PM
04/19/01 03:54 PM
C
cinkerf  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
Pittsburgh, Pennsysvania. ...
Most generators I've seen have an integral circuit breaker. I'll give the following example. A 50KW 120/208V. 3 phase 4/W. The generator would be the only power source to feed a panelboard 50 feet away that will be used in a Park setting for a special event. I would ground and bond at the generator and isolate the neutral in the "remote" panelboard. My feeder assembly would consist of (three) phase conductors, a neutral conductor and an equipment grounding conductor. Does anybody disagree with this installation?

Frank (cinkerf)

2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
Re: Grounding Generators #77051
04/19/01 04:04 PM
04/19/01 04:04 PM
S
sparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,372
So, the generators main would be the main disco, within sight? the panelboard in MLO??

[Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 04-19-2001).]

Re: Grounding Generators #77052
04/19/01 04:17 PM
04/19/01 04:17 PM
C
cinkerf  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
Pittsburgh, Pennsysvania. ...
Sparky,

I would probably have a main disconnect in the remote panelboard. Grounding is the real point of my question. If the generator has a main circuit breaker then anything downstream of it should be treated as a feeder. At least that is my understanding. I'm just interested in how other people around the country view this and how they ground such an installation.

Frank (cinkerf)

Re: Grounding Generators #77053
04/19/01 04:47 PM
04/19/01 04:47 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,904
NY, USA
Frank,

Sounds good to me.

[Linked Image]
Bill

Re: Grounding Generators #77054
04/19/01 04:56 PM
04/19/01 04:56 PM
M
Mike  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 62
At the risk of having my opinion rammed down my throat. I will state: you don't need the EGC if you use a non-metallic jacketed multi-conductor cable from the generator to the remote panel and there are no continuous metallic paths (e.g., metal conduit/flex) bonded to the grounding system at the generator and panelboard (no parallel path back to the generator).
You ensure the generator frame is bonded to its grounded conductor. Drive a ground rod near the generator and connect the GEC to the generator's grounded conductor.
Treat the remote panel as a service panel.
Bond the panelboard and EGC buss to the neutral. Drive a ground rod and install a GEC
connected to the neutral in the panelboard.
Or you could do it just the way you described it. Thanks

Re: Grounding Generators #77055
04/19/01 05:11 PM
04/19/01 05:11 PM
C
cinkerf  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 84
Pittsburgh, Pennsysvania. ...
Mike,

I have seen it done that way. I guess that is why I raised the question in the first place. I wasn't aware that both were acceptable methods. The integral generator circuit breaker is what made me post the question.

Frank (cinkerf)

Re: Grounding Generators #77056
04/19/01 08:57 PM
04/19/01 08:57 PM
S
sparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,372
Mike;
i'm not going to disagree, as either method could be NEC justified.
But i would like to have some fun with it!

what say we do it that way, and the genny's only 20' away.....real low impedance soil.....somebody must have had a garden or chickenhouse there at one time......

[Linked Image]

Re: Grounding Generators #77057
04/19/01 09:17 PM
04/19/01 09:17 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,904
NY, USA
Sparky,

Sounds like a good place to open a Bait Stand!

[Linked Image]
Bill

Re: Grounding Generators #77058
04/20/01 01:18 PM
04/20/01 01:18 PM
M
Mike  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 62
Good question, Sparky! Are you suggesting the possibility of a parallel path with the ground rods 20 feet apart? The NEC states that a ground rod must have a 25 ohm or less impedance. A second ground rod is required if the first one is more than 25 ohms. Also, the GEC/rod and grounded conductor are the same potential. And the grounded conductor has the least resistance.

Re: Grounding Generators #77059
04/20/01 07:25 PM
04/20/01 07:25 PM
S
sparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,372
Mike;
well yes, and apparently code compliant too, jsut fishin' for opinion, beats cuttin' bait!

[Linked Image]


Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
noderaser
noderaser
Portland, Oregon, United States
Posts: 404
Joined: March 2007
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Trumpy 4
Popular Topics(Views)
252,829 Are you busy
189,624 Re: Forum
179,288 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.034s Queries: 14 (0.005s) Memory: 1.0098 MB (Peak: 1.1846 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2019-01-23 12:24:07 UTC