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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71720 11/18/06 09:48 AM
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We use 22,000kWh per year- Family of 4 with two small children, and electric everything (heat, AC, hot water).

That's an average of 2.5kW/10A, 24/7, which is far less than I'd have imagined.

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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71721 11/18/06 01:05 PM
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SteveFehr, I suspect you dropped a decimal point somewhere in your 4:39 post. The power output from a solar array should be on the order of magnitude of 100 watts per square meter--you're an order of magnitude less than that.

Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71722 11/18/06 03:24 PM
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No mistake, the numbers I calculate are the average powers you get for an "affordable" a-Si panel once you calculate in all the losses and inefficiencies.

"Peak" output when stated independant of location is meaningless- a supposed 100W panel that makes 100W at noon on a cloudless day at the equator is never going to get even close to that in Maine. And when you time average it across a 24 hour period, it drops even more.

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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71723 11/18/06 04:20 PM
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here's a copy of my last bill


Service ID # : 2536582162
Rate Schedule : E1 WB Residential Service
Billing Days : 30 days
Rotating Outage Blk 14B
Meter # P23968
Prior Meter Read 18,748
Current Meter Read 19,915
Difference 1,167
Meter Constant 1
Usage 1,167 KwH

10/05/2006 - 10/31/2006
Electric Charges $169.88
Baseline Quantity 510.30000 Kwh
Baseline Usage 510.30000 Kwh @ $0.11430
101-130% of Baseline 153.09000 Kwh @ $0.12989
131-200% of Baseline 357.21000 Kwh @ $0.22986
201-300% of Baseline 29.70000 Kwh @ $0.32227
Net Charges $169.88
The net charges shown above include the following component(s). Please see
definitions on Page 2 of the bill.
Generation $71.40
Transmission 11.31
Distribution 57.67
Public Purpose Programs 7.39
Nuclear Decommissioning 0.40
Trust Transfer Amount (TTA) 7.18
DWR Bond Charge 5.09
Ongoing CTC 4.85
Energy Cost Recovery Amount 4.59
Taxes
Energy Commission Tax $0.23
Charges
11/01/2006 - 11/03/2006
Electric Charges $27.14
Baseline Quantity 33.90000 Kwh
Baseline Usage 33.90000 Kwh @ $0.11430
101-130% of Baseline 10.17000 Kwh @ $0.12989
131-200% of Baseline 23.73000 Kwh @ $0.22986
201-300% of Baseline 33.90000 Kwh @ $0.32227
Over 300% of Baselin e 15.00000 Kwh @ $0.37070
Net Charges $27.14
The net charges shown above include the following component(s). Please see
definitions on Page 2 of the bill.
Generation $13.89
Transmission 1.25
Distribution 8.73
Public Purpose Programs 0.82
Nuclear Decommissioning 0.04
Trust Transfer Amount (TTA) 0.80
DWR Bond Charge 0.56
Ongoing CTC 0.54
Energy Cost Recovery Amount 0.51


This is about an average bill here ($170)in decent weather... It also says I use 38.9KwH /day

Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71724 11/18/06 04:35 PM
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We have an 8 room house (no electric heat) central AC in New England.
We average 10,000KWH per year or about 833KWH per month. It has been fairly consistant over the past 10 years. The price of course has gone from .11 p/kwh in 1993 to .20 in 2006. Nearly double.

Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71725 11/18/06 07:38 PM
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We use 1400 KWH/month average.

That includes our house, my shop, and my wife's business - several computers run 24/7.

Heat pump, lectric hot water, electric cooking.

Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71726 11/18/06 08:30 PM
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All these electricity bills from round the world seem to have a common factor, that of deliberately obscuring the real price of the product from the consumer. I don't buy a liter of milk at the supermarket and get told the milk is 70 centimes plus 3c for the bottling plant costs, 2c extra because the cost of silage just went up, plus 12c taxes, minus a 2c bonus for buying it on Wednesday afternoon, plus 2c for measuring out a liter, so why the heck do I have to put up with it from the poco?

Alan


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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71727 11/19/06 08:36 PM
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Utility regulation... Your tax dollars at work


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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71728 11/20/06 01:02 PM
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I gotta love the "Customer Charge" of $21.00 on my bill. Funny how there's no explanation of what that charge is for, although I assume it's the minumum the bill would be outside of any power usage.


Sixer

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Re: Yearly household usage in kWh #71729 11/20/06 08:52 PM
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Quote

All these electricity bills from round the world seem to have a common factor, that of deliberately obscuring the real price of the product from the consumer. ...... so why the heck do I have to put up with it from the poco?

Deregulation required the utilities to unbundle their rates. So now you get to see generation charges, transmission charges, fuel charges, etc.
If your lovely State representatives ever unbundle grocerys, you will see feed charges, milking charges, transportation charges, shelf stocking charges,etc.

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