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Re: New lighting system #70216 10/02/06 03:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,391
iwire Offline
I proposed this idea some time ago when the question came up as to whether a blank cover was a (required) lighting outlet.

Thanks to Roger and Alan Nadon I now have more to stand on when I say a blanked lighting outlet is still a lighting outlet to the NEC. Something which I have always believed to be true.

Roger dug these out of the ROP.

1-38 Log #573 NEC-P01
Final Action: Reject
(100.Lighting Outlet)

__________________________________________________ ___________
Alan H. Nadon, City of Elkhart, IN

Revise as follows:
Lighting Outlet. An outlet having intended for the direct connection of a
lampholder, a luminaire (lighting fixture), or a pendant cord terminating in a
lampholder, that is directly connected .

Intent cannot be determined during an inspection. A junction
box with a blank cover, even one containing switched conductors, does not
provide the illumination needed for persons to move about safely thus
preventing accidents.

Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Report on Proposals A2007
— Copyright, NFPA NFPA 70

Panel Statement:
The proposed definition would require a luminaire
wherever a lighting outlet is installed. Code rules dictate where lighting is
required. CMP-1 refers the submitter to the panel action and statement on
Proposal 1-39.

Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results:
Affirmative: 12

2-251 Log #575 NEC-P02 Final Action: Reject
__________________________________________________ __________
Submitter: Alan H. Nadon, City of Elkhart, IN
Recommendation: Revise as follows:
210.70 Lighting Outlets Required. Lighting outlets, that provide illumination,
shall be installed where specified in 210.70(A), (B), (C).
Substantiation: As currently worded, only 210.70(A)(2)(b) requires a lighting
outlet to actually illuminate anything. The definition of a lighting outlet, in
Article 100 does not require anything more than a junction box with switched
conductors intended to be connected to a lampholder, light fixture, or pendent
light. A proposal has also been submitted to change or amend the definition of
lighting outlet. Proper illumination ensures safe movement for persons thus
preventing many accidents.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The objective of the NEC is to provide the requirement for the lighting outlet. The requirements specific to illumination are in the building code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12

Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12

Bob Badger
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Re: New lighting system #70217 10/02/06 04:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 197
LearJet9 Offline
It says good for 5A (600W) and a 35LB fan.

Re: New lighting system #70218 10/02/06 06:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,287
electure Offline
"No more expensive electricians and complicated electrical wiring to worry about"
The same could be said for using candles.
(And who is to put in the female receptacle which easily installs into your electrical outlet box?)

"Will revolutionize the lighting industry"
Sure it will. I'll bet a California Inspector enforcing the Energy Codes would just LOVE to see one of these installed. [Linked Image]

Re: New lighting system #70219 10/02/06 07:50 PM
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,716
Roger Offline
Bob, everything in the video was going great until that &#@&*# fan came into the picture. [Linked Image]

Wait, it did have a fixture on it didn't it [Linked Image]


[This message has been edited by Roger (edited 10-02-2006).]

Re: New lighting system #70220 10/02/06 07:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,437
Lostazhell Offline
I was just thinking the same thing as Scott, An EC that keeps a few title 24 "compliant" quicklights in the van just for inspection [Linked Image]
I guess its better than John Q Handyman changing the thing out after we've left [Linked Image]

Re: New lighting system #70221 10/02/06 08:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 169
steve ancient apprentice Offline
It may say 35 lbs but i sure hope the box in the ceiling is a fan rated box.Also for residential work it must be impossible to use with a pancake box. Im all for new things but i have a big questionmark on this product.

Re: New lighting system #70222 10/02/06 11:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,575
gfretwell Offline
I assume ver 1.01 will have a neon connected across the receptacle so you know it is turned on before you plug in the fan and it knocks you off the ladder.

Greg Fretwell
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