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It doesn't take a 5 year apprenticeship to do the kind of work this guy attempted- anyone who had taken a half hour to read the IRC's residential electrical section should easily have been able to do this correctly, including this guy. I can not disagree more with that. You can not read a code book and learn how to wire. The code does not tell you what to buy, how to use it, how to install it or how to layout the work. The reason professionals of any trade can alway spot DIY work is because even if the DIY work meets code they do not follow accepted trade practices or procedures. Now do I think electric work is 'rocket science'? Heck no! However no one can do any task well without some experience. [This message has been edited by iwire (edited 07-29-2006).]
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'Rocket science' debunked:
Time of flight = 2V sin á /g
Range = VxV sin 2á/g
g = 32.2 ft/sec/sec á = initial launch angle. V= velocity.
What's brainbending about that?
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you can easily compare being an electrician to being a doctor. The difference is, in a human body, all the parts are in the same place. If something is missing, you know the problem. In electrical, the parts are never in the same place. So in reality, fixing an electrical issue is more difficult than being a doctor. We should all get a raise.
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The reason professionals of any trade can alway spot DIY work is because even if the DIY work meets code they do not follow accepted trade practices or procedures. It's easy to tell DIY framing from professional new construction, too. If you put a level and a square on the wall and it's square and plumb, it's DIY!
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I don't know how many times I have said, or read on this forum....."THE NEC (Code) IS NOT A DESIGN TOOL".
You can read the 'Code' an hopefully learn the minimum and maximum limitations of items, and the 'spacing', and the methods of support, etc., BUT that's not a 'HOW TO'.
No, I'm not a rocket scientist, nor am I an Engineer, I'm a Electrician/Contractor/Inspector and Instructor.
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It's easy to tell DIY framing from professional new construction, too. If you put a level and a square on the wall and it's square and plumb, it's DIY! Don't count on it. We just can't make general statements about peoples ability's. There are bad 'Professionals' and great DIYs. This ain't news.
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'Rocket science' debunked:
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What's brainbending about that? Well, don't forget that, as you burn fuel, the mass of the entire rocket decreases. That makes it easier for the rocket's engine to push faster what's left. Which means you need to know how to work calculus type math, something it seems you have to be a rocket scientist to get right... [This message has been edited by wa2ise (edited 07-29-2006).]
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Rocket Science?
Does this have to do with the missle knowing where it is, by knowing where it isn't?
Where it was, by knowing where it wasn't?
That is some complex stuff.....
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giddonah,
I understand, there are many areas where you may not be required to obtain a license, however even in these areas, doing electrical work, without having liability insurance which covers electrical contracting, would put you or your company at risk, back in the 80's there was a GC that did his own wiring, during construction, the homes foundation was destroyed from a neighbors pool colapse, no fire, or no electrical problems, the insurance company underwriters, found the GC's policy did not cover him doing electrical work, he had protection if he subed the work, but not if he did the work, result was he suffered a large loss, it gave the insurance company a way out!, so be sure you are covered, when doing other trades.
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