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Puzzle #67399
07/03/06 07:26 PM
07/03/06 07:26 PM
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master66  Offline OP
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Masontown, PA, USA
This is an electric puzzle that was shown to one of our electricians at a supply house. I have been told that hundreds of people have tried to solve it to no avail. I have not seen this thing but our guy has explained it to me. If there are any questions I will try to get answers. I have not tried to solve it myself as of yet but I will later.


Here it is,

There are two single conductors connected to a 120V male 2-wire cord cap.

Each wire, the hot and grounded conductor, goes to a different box made of porcelain or something similar and non conductive.

There is a single conductor between the two boxes.

In each box there is a toggle switch and a porcelain light socket with an incandescant lamp.

The toggle switch controls the lamp in the opposite box regardless of the position of the switch in the box with the controlled lamp.

The switch is a mini toggle switch. Don't know if it is SPST, SPDT or DPDT.

Our guy swears it works as described.

Good luck? Let me know what you come up with.

Brian

Edited female cord cap to male cord cap.

[This message has been edited by master66 (edited 07-04-2006).]

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Re: Puzzle #67400
07/03/06 08:21 PM
07/03/06 08:21 PM
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NJwirenut  Offline
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Posts: 806
Bergen County, NJ
Do the bulbs light to normal brilliance?

I suspect they are running on half-wave rectified power, and there are some diodes involved somehow.

Re: Puzzle #67401
07/03/06 08:49 PM
07/03/06 08:49 PM
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master66  Offline OP
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Posts: 257
Masontown, PA, USA
Not sure but I will find out.

Re: Puzzle #67402
07/03/06 09:33 PM
07/03/06 09:33 PM
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SteveFehr  Offline
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Chesapeake, VA
Edit: no, thought I had it, but I didn't.

[This message has been edited by SteveFehr (edited 07-03-2006).]

Re: Puzzle #67403
07/03/06 09:44 PM
07/03/06 09:44 PM
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John Crighton  Offline
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Joined: May 2005
Posts: 177
Southern California
NJwirenut's got it right.

The switches are SPST. There are two diodes in each box. The lamps glow at half-brightness due to half-wave rectification.

Here's the real question:

How do you get power to a setup like this that has a female cord cap? [Linked Image]

Re: Puzzle #67404
07/03/06 10:54 PM
07/03/06 10:54 PM
Theelectrikid  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 810
Levittown, PA
Quote
Here's the real question:

How do you get power to a setup like this that has a female cord cap? [Linked Image]


Easy. I just need two el-cheapo extension cords, some of 'em wire stripper things, and some duct tape. [Linked Image] [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Ian A.

[This message has been edited by Theelectrikid (edited 07-03-2006).]


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Re: Puzzle #67405
07/04/06 01:53 AM
07/04/06 01:53 AM
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JoeTestingEngr  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 798
Chicago, Il.
I added a couple caps and sent dxfs to Scott & Master66. Did you want dimmers with those? I was stuck at work on Emergency Standby until the fireworks were finished. I knew the answer immediately, just not my ECN password for the work computer.
Joe

Re: Puzzle #67406
07/06/06 01:37 AM
07/06/06 01:37 AM
Scott35  Offline

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Posts: 2,708
Anaheim, CA. USA
Hello everyone! [Linked Image]

The Schematic has been uploaded and posted to the Technical Reference section.

It can be found under the topic:

Lamp Puzzle!!!

Clicking the Hyperlink above will open that page.

Scott35


Scott " 35 " Thompson
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Re: Puzzle #67407
07/06/06 07:50 AM
07/06/06 07:50 AM
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pauluk  Offline
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
Similar circuits for signaling have appeared in electronics journals for years.

Another variant is to have a multi-way switch in one box signal four different states to lights in the remote box by feeding rectified positive, rectified negative, or straight A.C. down the line. The receiving end then shows lamp A, lamp B, both lamps, or none.

Re: Puzzle #67408
07/06/06 09:51 PM
07/06/06 09:51 PM
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master66  Offline OP
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 257
Masontown, PA, USA
According to the information that I am getting, JoeTestingEngr was correct.

This "puzzle" was presented to one of our guys by Sam Scott of Scott Electric Supply near greensburg PA. Found out today that one of our other guys suggested to Mr. Scott a while ago and was correct also.

Thanks for the input.

Brian

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