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Panel preferences #63315
03/13/06 06:59 PM
03/13/06 06:59 PM
Check Pilot  Offline OP
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 141
Edmonton Alberta Canada
I'm just in the middle of a service upgrade from an old 60 amp panel to a new 200 amp Siemens. The Home Owner initially wanted a Federal Pioneer (as it's known here in Canada) panel installed because his friends and someone at the big orange box store told him that getting breakers and parts for FPE is far easier and cheaper than anything else, and FPE would be very common for the distant future.

It took quite a bit of convincing with this fellow and about 30 phone calls back and forth to convince him that there were much better products (and safer in my mind) out there. I finally convinced him that at least he could use a Siemens panel because they are commomly available around here too.

Since I'm just getting back into the EC business and dusting off my old Journeyman's Certificate after a 30 year absence, it got me thinking that maybe I should get other opinions on what preferences any of you other younger folks would prefer to see installed in the way of panels.

I know I'm an old dinosaur but I am certainly open to new ideas.


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Re: Panel preferences #63316
03/13/06 07:46 PM
03/13/06 07:46 PM
bot540  Offline
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 174
Vernon Hills, IL
I personally like Siemens panels the best. My boss only uses Cutler-Hammer and I'm sure there'll be 20 guys on here that say Square-d QO, but I don't think anyone will say GE.

Jesus may have been a capenter,but God was an electrician.Genesis1:3
Re: Panel preferences #63317
03/13/06 08:25 PM
03/13/06 08:25 PM
pdh  Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 354
I've found catalogs online for Square-D, Cutler-Hammer, and GE (not very impressive). I search around the Siemens web site, but I could not find their catalog at all, nor any web pages that would be equivalent to a catalog.

In my line of work, which includes designing data centers, I have specified the needed wiring, including the panels. I've gone with Square-D in the past, but today I would include consideration of Cutler-Hammer (and probably specify a choice in each). I wouldn't touch GE. I have no knowledge of the Siemens product line.

Re: Panel preferences #63318
03/13/06 08:25 PM
03/13/06 08:25 PM
Tiger  Offline
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 706
Crystal Lake, IL USA
Same here. I like Square D QO and I hear a lot about Siemens & C-H, not GE.


Re: Panel preferences #63319
03/13/06 08:43 PM
03/13/06 08:43 PM
LK  Offline
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,429
New Jersey
Ok , we used SQ D, and gave that up, when we had call backs, with defective main breakers, never had a problem with any other then Mains in SO D, other then having to chisel out the KO's, that were stamped, with a tired punch.
We also tried Seimans, they wer ok except about every 10, or 12 loadcenters, you could not reset the main, seimans said they never had any complaints, talked to other EC's and they had athe same problem.
We now use CH, and have not had one problem to date.

Re: Panel preferences #63320
03/13/06 08:57 PM
03/13/06 08:57 PM
frankft  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39
What kind of bad experiences have people had with GE panels?

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Re: Panel preferences #63321
03/13/06 09:07 PM
03/13/06 09:07 PM
Dnkldorf  Offline
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,064
nowhere usa
Siemens user here.

I like the size of the ground and nuetral bars
vs the other manufacturers....

Although they are mostly BL and BQD types, not typically a resi application...


Re: Panel preferences #63322
03/13/06 09:21 PM
03/13/06 09:21 PM
e57  Offline
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
If Murray is Seimens bastard cousin, I don't like either family. CH makes a really good product for the money IMO. Sq-d too pricey, but good.

Now this: "FPE is far easier and cheaper than anything else, and FPE would be very common for the distant future" They were pretty common until they burned so many homes down in the past here in the US. You'll be hard pressed to see an EC not wince when they hear the name, or hang their heads at sight of one. AKA "Arc welders", and "Never trip" among other names. Close cousin to "Burnt Buss" AKA Zinsco. Both members of the "You need a new panel" family.

Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Panel preferences #63323
03/13/06 09:33 PM
03/13/06 09:33 PM
Surfinsparky  Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 73
merritt island fl usa
I don't do any residential so can't comment on that.But as far as industrial GE has been good to me.Sq d is falling fast from my favorite.

Re: Panel preferences #63324
03/13/06 10:32 PM
03/13/06 10:32 PM
BigB  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 740
Tucson, AZ USA
Frank, I have had some issues with the type that accept thins...poor contact and burnt busses, breakers falling out. I haven't had any issues with the style that only accepts full size breakers that attach just like all the common ones. Of course theres the fact that only a GE breaker will fit in a GE panel, although if you are a homeowner or handyman you will be able to fit any kind in there.

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