I noticed in one of the other topics (don't remember which one) that someone brought up the use of quoting the NEC.
I "personally" thought that limited quoting would not be a violation or infringemeny of copyright laws. To be sure, I contacted NFPA.
What I sent:
"Dear NFPA -
Is it ok to use (copy and paste) a sentence or paragraph of the NEC or the Handbook in a discussion forum type setting.
I ask a question about appliance branch circuit requirements. Would it be ok for a person to respond with a reply and/or quote (by copy and paste) 422.10 in its entirety (about 12 full lines)?
Thanks for your assistance.
Stephen A. King"
What they replied:
"Dear Mr. King,
An occasional use of a sentence or paragraph from the NEC(r) in a non-commercial setting would probably be considered a Fair Use under the copyright act. There is no precise limit concerning what constitutes Fair Use and what constitutes an infringement, but the small occasional use that you suggest appears to fall in the Fair Use category.
If this becomes a regular use of material for a commercial purpose, that may change the response.
I hope this is helpful.
Dennis J. Berry Secretary of the Corporation & Director of Licensing NFPA One Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169-7471 617-984-7255 617-984-7222 (fax) firstname.lastname@example.org"
Hope that helps the gentleman that had a question about it.
That was my understanding based on the way IBM protected it's intellectual knowledge. I have been clipping short parts of the NEC for years and the NFPA police have not come after me. My feeling is it probably sells more CDs than it prevents.
#59281 - 12/02/0506:08 PMRe: Quoting the NEC and/or Handbook
As a municipal inspection authority, it is generally granted that you may use such quotes in the manner you described without fear of violating copyright laws. After all, your office is responsible for enforcing Code and it would be impossible to enforce that which you cannot prove in writing.
This whole thing with copyrights is starting to get a bit out of hand. Example: It is now becoming common practice for film preview audiences to be searched with metal detectors and to surrender all cell phones and personal electronics!! Why? The studios are afraid you'll sit in the cinema with your phone and try to record the movie!! Did I mention that also the whole time you're watching the film there'll be security chumps with night-vision devices to make sure you're not doing anything?! (So much for amore with your lady.)
That's real smart thinking, let's alienate the paying customers to prevent something which doesn't originate from the paying customers. (Most illegal dupes of films come from either dishonest cinemas/projectionists or insiders at the film printmaking labs. Regrettably, a lot of this occurs overseas as well.)
Really, unless you're selling burned CD copies or printouts of the NEC or Handbook, use the material as it was intended, to disseminate and enforce standards of safety and property protection!!
Stupid should be painful.
#59283 - 12/04/0505:13 PMRe: Quoting the NEC and/or Handbook
"Fair" use claims are used to avoid the penalties for not paying the license fees.
Any use of material including "fair" use requires one to pay the proper license fee for the material. For the most part that license fee is not worth pursuing.
While teaching at university and working in industry, each use of copyrighted material required a form that was sent to a librian. The librian was responsible for paying the license fee. In most cases no fee was required, but we always asked.
There is no statue of limitations on claims for copyright infringment.
#59284 - 12/05/0507:39 AMRe: Quoting the NEC and/or Handbook