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Class stumped? #57088
10/04/05 10:31 PM
10/04/05 10:31 PM
wv-wire-wrangler  Offline OP
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 26
Morgantown, WV
Hi all,

I just got home from my journeyman class and we were given a practice test that the whole class checked together. One question had an answer that kinda half stumped the class, including the teacher.

Here it is:

Which are the three basic electrical faults?

a) Ground fault, partial ground fault, and open circuit.

b) short circuit, open circuit, and change in electrical value.

c) open circuit, incomplete circuit, and ground fault.

d)short circuit , ground fault, and partial ground fault.

The test writing program the teacher uses said the answer is (D), but what is a partial ground fault? Even our teacher has never heard of one!


[This message has been edited by wv-wire-wrangler (edited 10-04-2005).]

Samuel A Mercure
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Re: Class stumped? #57089
10/04/05 10:39 PM
10/04/05 10:39 PM
dmattox  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 265
Anaheim, CA
A partial ground fault would be a fault to ground not at full potential, such as in a motor winding.

Re: Class stumped? #57090
10/04/05 10:42 PM
10/04/05 10:42 PM
jw electric  Offline
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 106
Asheboro, NC
Could it be where there is an accident? Some one stepped into a hole in the ground. Would that be a partial ground fault? I mean if the ground didn’t have the hole then the accident would not have happened.

Of course it will be hard to find a lawyer that will try to sue the ground no matter how much it was at fault.
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Re: Class stumped? #57091
10/04/05 10:48 PM
10/04/05 10:48 PM
wv-wire-wrangler  Offline OP
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 26
Morgantown, WV
Hey JW,

GOod one. Had me laughing for a good 5 minutes!!! [Linked Image]

Samuel A Mercure
Re: Class stumped? #57092
10/05/05 12:32 AM
10/05/05 12:32 AM
gfretwell  Offline

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,335
A partial ground fault is one that trips a GFCI but not the O/C device.
That may be the hardest one to find.

Greg Fretwell
Re: Class stumped? #57093
10/05/05 06:08 AM
10/05/05 06:08 AM
IanR  Offline
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 328
Palm Bay FL USA
I like JW's explanation. However on what grounds(partial grounds?)are you basing that explanation. [Linked Image]

Re: Class stumped? #57094
10/05/05 06:15 AM
10/05/05 06:15 AM
WFO  Offline
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 202
Cat Spring, TX
Seems like an strange question, since a ground and partial ground fault are both types of short circuits.
A partial ground would probably be a high impedance ground, often one that doesn't pull enough current to activate a protective device (like gfretwell said).
A good example would be high voltage line falling on dry sand. The sand (basically glass) is such a high impedance that the line never trips. That's why you never see a lineman touch a downed wire without grounding it.

Re: Class stumped? #57095
10/05/05 06:35 AM
10/05/05 06:35 AM
Ron  Offline
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 582
White Plains, NY
If it were are fill in the blank question, I would have answered 3 phase fault, line-ground fault and 3 phase arcing fault (high impedance fault)

Other flavors would be line-line fault, line-line arcing fault and line-ground arcing fault.

So maybe according to that author, a partial fault is an arcing fault.

Re: Class stumped? #57096
10/05/05 06:56 AM
10/05/05 06:56 AM
George Corron  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 717
Lorton, Va USA
I don't like the question either, BUT....

A partial ground fault is one most often on a high line (distribution or transmission levels) where you have an arc to ground, way to small to cause an interruption current.

What is does cause is RFI, TVI, etc. In Other Words, a ground fault NOT at interruption levels that uses power, and causes customer problems.

Re: Class stumped? #57097
10/05/05 09:49 AM
10/05/05 09:49 AM
CTwireman  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 840
Connecticut, USA
I disagree with this question entirely. There are only 2 basic types of faults, shorts and opens.

You can then get more specific and subdivide both of those categories, such as ground faults, line to line faults, etc.

But "partial ground faults?" That is very vague and confusing in my opinion.


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