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You will soon learn that the NEC requirements do not apply to automotive plants. I know everyone will say I am wrong, but you just wait and see.
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You will soon learn that the NEC requirements do not apply to automotive plants. I know everyone will say I am wrong, but you just wait and see. You may be correct for auto plants in your area. You can not say that is true all over the county. That type of issue would be up to the local area. Here where I am the NEC would apply to autoplants,..... if we still had any.
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Well I certainly got a reply that time. Sorry for the complaining, but the report was indeed due. I thank all of you for your advice on this network, I am new to electrical stuff and this project was sort of to get me initiated. I might just be back to see what I can learn. Thanks again.
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See IWIRE, I knew someone would have to disagree with me.
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Zog See IWIRE, I knew someone would have to disagree with me. Well of course, if I say the earth is flat someone will (or should) disaagree with me. The only way that the NEC would not apply to an auto plant in an area that adopted the NEC would be by way of local amendment. Check it out for yourself. 90.2 Scope. (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation of electric conductors, electric equipment, signaling and communications conductors and equipment, and fiber optic cables and raceways for the following: (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
(3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of electricity
(4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following: (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles
(2) Installations under ground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, transmission, or distribution of power used exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling and communications purposes (4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where such installations a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, or b. Are located in legally established easements, rights-of-way, or by other agreements either designated by or recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations, or
c. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, transmission, or distribution of electric energy.
(C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing this Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and equipment that are not under the exclusive control of the electric utilities and are used to connect the electric utility supply system to the service-entrance conductors of the premises served, provided such installations are outside a building or terminate immediately inside a building wall. Now if you see a part of that excluding auto plants you could share it with us.
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iwire, Don't feel alone. I was once told by a plant engineer that local codes requiring permits & inspections only applied to single phase installations in the facility and not 3 phase installations.
Talk about LOL... HA HA HA
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Redsy, when he said that to you did you keep a straight face or did you burst out laughing? Did they really believe it to be true or did they think you would fall for it? Bob
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will soon learn that the NEC requirements do not apply to automotive plants. I know everyone will say I am wrong, but you just wait and see.
If you truly believe that, maybe you should have your AHJ check with your State Electrical Board. MI State law requires it.
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iwire,
That was one of several last straws, which finally caused me to leave. And it was probably the first time in 20 years of working under the same guy (who happened to be an honest hard working engineer) that I acted somewhat disrespectfully. BTW, He was only relaying to me what "Corporate Engineering" told him when he posed my 2nd inquiry regarding permits & inspections. My 1st inquiry got the response that we can do whatever we want within the "battery limits" of our property.
Battery limits???!!!
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We had an incident where the plant management, was sure they did not need permits, they insisted they were exempt, I was told i din't know what i was talking about, They got another EC that agreed with them, and said we never need prermits for working in plant, as it turns out, plant was closed until they complied, and i belive they were also fined, contractor was in deep do do.
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