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Re: whats your opinion #53313 06/23/05 04:28 PM
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DougW Offline
Another vote for screw terminals... I was told when I started that the holes in the back were for homeowners... real electricians used the screw terminals [Linked Image]

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Re: whats your opinion #53314 06/23/05 05:23 PM
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kyme Offline
I think they are soon going to do away with the pressure type back stab devices, or that is what i have heard.

Re: whats your opinion #53315 06/25/05 05:57 PM
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William Runkle Offline
They are illegal and more so when more inspectors require torque upon all terminals. How do you torque stab-ins?

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Re: whats your opinion #53316 06/25/05 06:08 PM
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iwire Offline
William, What is illegal?

UL still lists back stab devices for use with 14 AWG and Wagos (pretty much back stab wire connectors) are listed also.

This is not to say I like them.

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Re: whats your opinion #53317 06/25/05 08:43 PM
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William Runkle Offline
How do you determine the torque on stab lock?

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Re: whats your opinion #53318 06/25/05 09:12 PM
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walrus Offline
You don't have to determine the torque on a stab lock, strip the wire the right length, drive it in and its UL listed. Just like using a hook and the right torque on a screw terminal.

Re: whats your opinion #53319 06/30/05 09:48 AM
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BobH Offline
I just had a service call where back stabbed receptacles were used. Lights flickering and 2 rooms dead. I replaced the one that was causing the problem and proposed that we replace all of them with P&S spec grades and perform a complete safety check of the electrical system. Haven't heard back yet, oh well, he probably called a Handyman because he would be cheap and use cheap material as well.

Re: whats your opinion #53320 06/30/05 09:49 PM
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luckyshadow Offline
Whats worse is the handyman will most likely back stab the new devices ! [Linked Image from]

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