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Re: whats your opinion #53313
06/23/05 04:28 PM
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DougW  Offline
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Another vote for screw terminals... I was told when I started that the holes in the back were for homeowners... real electricians used the screw terminals [Linked Image]

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Re: whats your opinion #53314
06/23/05 05:23 PM
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kyme  Offline
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Kentucky
I think they are soon going to do away with the pressure type back stab devices, or that is what i have heard.

Re: whats your opinion #53315
06/25/05 05:57 PM
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William Runkle  Offline
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Dowagiac, Michigan U.S.A.
They are illegal and more so when more inspectors require torque upon all terminals. How do you torque stab-ins?


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Re: whats your opinion #53316
06/25/05 06:08 PM
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iwire  Offline
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North Attleboro, MA USA
William, What is illegal?

UL still lists back stab devices for use with 14 AWG and Wagos (pretty much back stab wire connectors) are listed also.

This is not to say I like them.


Bob Badger
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Massachusetts
Re: whats your opinion #53317
06/25/05 08:43 PM
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William Runkle  Offline
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Dowagiac, Michigan U.S.A.
How do you determine the torque on stab lock?


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Re: whats your opinion #53318
06/25/05 09:12 PM
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walrus  Offline
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Posts: 680
Bangor Me. USA
You don't have to determine the torque on a stab lock, strip the wire the right length, drive it in and its UL listed. Just like using a hook and the right torque on a screw terminal.

Re: whats your opinion #53319
06/30/05 09:48 AM
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BobH  Offline
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Newfane, N.Y USA
I just had a service call where back stabbed receptacles were used. Lights flickering and 2 rooms dead. I replaced the one that was causing the problem and proposed that we replace all of them with P&S spec grades and perform a complete safety check of the electrical system. Haven't heard back yet, oh well, he probably called a Handyman because he would be cheap and use cheap material as well.

Re: whats your opinion #53320
06/30/05 09:49 PM
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luckyshadow  Offline
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Maryland USA
Whats worse is the handyman will most likely back stab the new devices ! [Linked Image]

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