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#52532 05/27/05 11:13 PM
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I am considering an Isuzu NPR diesel for a work truck. I want to fit it with a 9 foot utility bed and a high top. I am afraid of the new Ford, Chevy and Dodge trucks from what I have heard, and I can't afford down time on my work truck. Anyone know about these trucks or tried them?
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They are not made in America

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Hate to bust your bubble but Isuzu is GM. Chevy has a twin of the Isuzu NPR. It's the Chevy W3500. See it here: http://www.chevrolet.com/mediumduty/wseries/w3500/

The Isuzu gas engine is the chevy V8. The 4 cyl diesel is Isuzu. The diesel seem to be low on power with between 140-190 HP. The chevy diesel ver. has a 5.375 rear axle to get the thing moving off the line but you might be limited on a top speed. Diesel fuel econimy might be good even if the fuel costs us .35/gal more. To bad they don't list MPG for medium trucks.

If you plan on driving on the tollway/interstae much you might want to go for a test drive once. See if it gets up to speed fast enough and make sure it will keep up with the other trucks up a slight hill or against the wind (75 MPH here). I been told that other trucks with the Isuzu diesel would not go over 65 mph.

I don't know of any one manufacture of the big three that does not have some problems. No matter what you buy you allways could have some down time.

As far as where it's made it should say on the window sticker. You can't go by manufacture name to say where the vehicle is made. Cars like Hyundhi are now assembled in the US. The new Chevy Cobalt is a Dihatsu and all import.

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Er....the Chevy Cobalt is full in house GM effort. Built and engineered in US. The sad Aveo (and Epica and Optra in Canada) are all off shore makes with Chevy badges.

True, Hyundai just opened a US plant recently for the upcoming Sonata, the rest of their line is imported.

[This message has been edited by Sandro (edited 05-28-2005).]

#52536 05/28/05 09:21 AM
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Why would you be afraid of a Chevy, Dodge, or Ford. They are just as good as any foreign vehicle. I'm not referring to the poster here, but it just gets me sometimes that we all complain of losing our american jobs yet we see nothing wrong with buying a japanese car. I think we should support american companies. Just because there are Nissan plants here doesn't mean the profits stay here.

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I haven't heard bad things about GM diesels in pickups, not sure about medium duty. I have heard bad things about ford diesels in PUs recently. Mostly injector issues.

#52538 05/28/05 11:31 AM
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The Isuzu NPR diesel is a great truck. It does struggle on steep hills but anywhere else the turbo keeps it moving right along. Suprising what that litle four banger can do.

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Sorry I got my car names mixed up. I ment Aveo like Sandro said. The Aveo is a Daewoo. I don't think Daewoo is still selling new cars in the USA. Another example is the Cadilac Catara is an Opel.

Here is the Isuzu web: http://www.isuzucv.com/nseries/n_specs.html

You want more examples Honda has been making cars in the USA sence 1982.

U.S. presence
Company Employees Major plants
GM 194,000 82
Ford 128,000 35
DCX(Dodge) 76,600 24
Toyota 31,000 8
Honda 15,900 8
Nissan 25,000 8
Source: Detroit News research

Many of the big 3 are built in Canida or Mexico. Dodge is now only 15% USA owned. Sure it is great to buy American but my point is don't just go by the name.

One problem I herd about Checys diesel is the turbo has a new varable pitch inpeller that has problems. Exey truck can have problems.

Tom

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I'm all for buying American, but just because a truck has an American name doesn't make it American Made and more often a "foriegn" vehicle is more American than the "American" vehicle.

I drive a Chevy Avalanche, made in Mexico.
I owned 1 Dodge Ram made in Mexico and another made in Canada.
Dodge is owned by a German company.
Ford owns Mazda, a Japanese company.
Ford owns Jaguar, a Brittish company.
Volvo - Ford
Land Rover - Ford
Aston Martin - Ford.
GM owns 49% of Isuzu That's right, Isuzu is almost an American owned company and their light trucks are made in America.
GM also has ownership in Suzuki and Saab.

GMC and Chevy have a line of trucks that are Isuzu NPR's rebranded, so if you want an American name, buy it, but just know it was made in Japan.

#52541 05/28/05 03:41 PM
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Yea, and I heard from my uncle who is a huge motorcycle buff that Honda goldwings are more american made than Harly Davidson mortorcycles.

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