ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Furnace igniter leaking noise to stereo
by Haligan. 05/21/18 03:28 PM
480 Delta
by ghost307. 05/21/18 10:38 AM
turning down possible problem customer
by HotLine1. 05/21/18 07:53 AM
electircal ageing test on IPC
by HotLine1. 05/14/18 09:42 AM
What estimating software do you recommend?
by wattsittoyou. 05/14/18 06:28 AM
New in the Gallery:
Plug terminals
Housebilding DIY wiring
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (cableguy619), 31 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Interesting method #213974
09/15/14 03:37 PM
09/15/14 03:37 PM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
Found this on a walk thru. One of many
[Linked Image]


John
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213975
09/16/14 12:46 AM
09/16/14 12:46 AM
G
gfretwell  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,222
Estero,Fl,usa
Was this in a box or just a yoke screwed into the drywall?


Greg Fretwell
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213979
09/16/14 09:46 AM
09/16/14 09:46 AM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
It's a shallow wiremold type box. There are quite a few others. This is a countertop; the appliance is a microwave.
The source of the NM is a male cord cap in a duplex behind the cabinet.

Male cord cap, cord to a wiremold box with a GFI/receptacle.

Basically, an attempt by a handyman/maintenance man.


John
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213984
09/17/14 08:49 AM
09/17/14 08:49 AM
T
Texas_Ranger  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,425
Vienna, Austria
Let's ask the other way round: what of the stuff we see here is actually acceptable according to the NEC and to your local code?

Stapling cable to the wall would be perfectly acceptable here, feeding fixed installations with cord and plug too, although only if proper strain relief is provided. Of course the angle plug with half-torn cord is inacceptable just about anywhere.

Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213986
09/17/14 09:42 AM
09/17/14 09:42 AM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
Tex:
None of what is in the pic is compliant with the NEC.

NM as in the pic must be protected from physical damage. Using cord for permanent wiring methods is non-compliant. The EGC (Equipment ground conductor) must be present and connected properly. Polarity must be correct.

'Cord caps' do not provide proper strain relief and are not listed for #12 NM (solid conductors). The angle plug is a factory item on the microwave.

Going deeper into it, box fill, cable entry, etc. could be addressed, but....why beat a dead horse.

This is in the laundry area; others are in vending areas, and guest laundry areas & fitness room of a 100+ room hotel.

All is the "quality" electrical work of the maintenance guys!

It will be corrected to compliance, as the property is being sold.


John
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213987
09/17/14 06:32 PM
09/17/14 06:32 PM
T
Texas_Ranger  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,425
Vienna, Austria
I might miss a few points here. Where's cord used for permanent wiring? I see the two NM cables coming up, presumably feeding the receptacle and another downstream.

Then there's the poorly terminated grey cord that I thought was connected to a microwave.

All the points you mentioned make a whole lot of sense (although not all international codes are as strict) but I've got trouble spotting them in the picture. The whole setup does look hideous!

Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213988
09/17/14 09:46 PM
09/17/14 09:46 PM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
Tex:
The cord issue is not visable in the pic, I have another pic of the cord issue. I'll post is asap.


John
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213990
09/17/14 09:54 PM
09/17/14 09:54 PM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
Tex:
The cord is visable in this pic.

The NM (romex)in the first pic is a tap via acord cap in an outlet in the back wall of thebase cabinet. Sorry for the confusion.

[Linked Image]


John
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213991
09/17/14 09:57 PM
09/17/14 09:57 PM
HotLine1  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,964
Brick, NJ USA
Tex:
NEC Article 400 covers cord applications. 400.7 and 400.8 are the permitted uses for cord, and the prohibited use of cord.

The exhaust fan is wired with cord which is 'sleeved' in EMT. The yellow cord plugged into the receptacle is a rather nice 100' HD extension cord that powers a small fan that the laundry ladies use to help keep cool.

Also, the BX/MC cable that is tapped off of the circuit behind the emergency light requires straps to the wall.



Last edited by HotLine1; 09/17/14 10:03 PM.

John
Re: Interesting method [Re: HotLine1] #213992
09/17/14 11:58 PM
09/17/14 11:58 PM
G
gfretwell  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,222
Estero,Fl,usa
This is what I found in my kid's house, after they got a clean bill from a home inspector.

Water heater hook up

[Linked Image]

Light kit on the fan

[Linked Image]

Closet light. On off? turn the lamp.

[Linked Image]


Greg Fretwell
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
renosteinke
renosteinke
Blue Collar Country
Posts: 5,316
Joined: January 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
twh 12
Popular Topics(Views)
246,856 Are you busy
184,209 Re: Forum
173,450 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.025s Queries: 16 (0.004s) Memory: 1.0264 MB (Peak: 1.2119 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-05-21 22:38:26 UTC