ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
12 Lead Motor Connection Weird
by emolatur - 01/19/22 02:40 PM
Any women electricians here?
by gfretwell - 01/17/22 01:44 PM
Well There's your problem.
by gfretwell - 01/08/22 12:17 AM
Happy New Year!!
by HotLine1 - 01/04/22 09:50 AM
Sangamo s309.2
by Robski - 12/31/21 04:54 PM
New in the Gallery:
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 14 guests, and 9 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#205260 02/08/12 10:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
H
Member
I have another question, as per 210.52(E)(3), Let's take a good size house with a nice big front porch that is say 1'-2' off the grade. To the left side of the house in the front yard there is a weatherproof receptacle installed as per code. Would you require another receptacle within the perimeter of the front porch?

Stay up to Code with the Latest NEC:


2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
2020 NEC & Related Reference & Study Guides
Pass Your Exam the FIRST TIME with these Exam Prep Combos:
 

>> Master Electrician Exam Prep     >> JourneyMan Electrician Exam Prep
 

harold endean #205261 02/08/12 10:37 AM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
Harold:

A 'by the book' answer would be "Yes" there should be one at the porch.

Perhaps a bad layout by the EC?


John
harold endean #205269 02/08/12 02:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,677
Likes: 9
G
Member
I agree with John. The intent of article 210 is reducing the use of extension cords and this is a case where they would be stringing a cord over to the porch if they wanted to plug in a fan, TV or whatever.


Greg Fretwell
harold endean #205270 02/08/12 03:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 763
K
Member
I think the other side of the coin might be if the porch has steps or stairs from grade level, does the receptacle on the porch satisfy the requirement for the receptacle at the front of the dwelling accessible from grade level?

harold endean #205271 02/08/12 04:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
Kjay:
To your comment I will say yes.


John
harold endean #205273 02/08/12 05:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,677
Likes: 9
G
Member
I suppose the cost would depend on what kind of rail you are trying to match.


Greg Fretwell
harold endean #205323 02/10/12 01:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
H
Member
John,


OK, so if we have a receptacle on the front porch, that would would count as one for the porch and the one in the front of the house. Right?

However if we only have one in the front of the house, then we would have to add another one over the porch area?

harold endean #205327 02/10/12 03:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,288
Likes: 4
Member
Harold:

Dependent on the design of the 'front' the one on the porch may suffice for code compliance. Really could not say for sure without seeing the situation.

A situation could be what we see with holidat dec lighting, the cords all over the front of houses. That is what I refer to as 'temp lighting' & usually don't say anything about that unless it is deemed a danger.

Again, the final decission is your call.

Stay safe!


John
harold endean #205341 02/12/12 06:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
H
Member
John,

These are just some of the questions that I get from EC's in my area. The EC's I deal with know that they can talk to me and I don't give them any bull or any attitude and I try to answer any/all questions that they will pose to me. A different EC was failed for this problem in another town, so he asked me for my opinion.

harold endean #205343 02/12/12 10:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 459
Likes: 1
J
Member
I know of one area that would not accept the one over the porch as the one for the front yard. Their take is the steps remove it from being at grade level. I could see this if the porch was out of reach above grade, but the words do support their interpretation. It just seems a little strict.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
BEAMEUP
BEAMEUP
WA
Posts: 27
Joined: December 2004
Top Posters(30 Days)
NORCAL 3
Robski 1
Popular Topics(Views)
288,013 Are you busy
220,140 Re: Forum
206,133 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5