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Re: New water heater #196906
11/01/10 01:26 PM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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Has anyone seen those brand new water heaters that are instantaneous and they need 3-40 amp feeds? What do you do about a disconnect within 50' and/or within eyesight?

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Re: New water heater [Re: harold endean] #196909
11/01/10 03:04 PM
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KJay  Offline
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I suppose they could pull a properly sized feeder and install a small subpanel to an area within sight of the equipment, then run the needed branch circuits to the water heater from there.
One thing though… I know that the SQD QO 6/12 circuit panels I have are only rated at 100A, so not sure if they are available with a higher ampere rating.
If not, then one possible problem might be if the feeder were sized only as needed for the water heater loads but, a larger panel was install installed because of the needed higher ampere rating. Someone else could come along later and run additional circuits out of it to feed other loads.

Re: New water heater [Re: KJay] #196915
11/01/10 06:24 PM
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crselectric  Offline
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I'm working on the same thing, in richmond ca, trying to find a small robust panel on opposite side of wall in 1100 sq. ft house, and not have to put in a 20 space panel for 6 slots?

Re: New water heater [Re: crselectric] #196916
11/01/10 07:01 PM
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I saw some 6/12s on the SqD site but they are more expensive than a 20/40.


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Re: New water heater [Re: gfretwell] #196925
11/01/10 08:56 PM
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The OCP for the subpanel will prevent the feeder from OL. I seem to remember a GE panel that was 125 amp rated buss.



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Re: New water heater [Re: HotLine1] #196948
11/02/10 11:33 AM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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How about a contactor in a small panel with a push button/switch by the heater?

How about a lock out on the service panel?

Re: New water heater [Re: harold endean] #196954
11/02/10 01:57 PM
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If you have a sub panel within sight of the water heater that can be your disconnect.


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Re: New water heater [Re: gfretwell] #196965
11/03/10 12:26 AM
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Is that 3 separate heaters turning ON separate times, or all three turn ON at the same time?

I bet that will dim the lights every time it turns ON. Wouldn't that be annoying? Have you informed the customer on the possibility of the lights dimming?


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Re: New water heater [Re: Niko] #196969
11/03/10 09:35 AM
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harold endean  Offline OP
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Greg,

I agree that if there is a sub panel or service panel within 50/eyesight, then we would meet the code. However the service is in the basement and the house is finished, and they install a new water heater in the laundry room, Now what? Could you accept a lockable breaker(s) for the disconnect? Install a sign on water heater stating that the heater has multiple feeds?

Re: New water heater [Re: harold endean] #196972
11/03/10 02:44 PM
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This might be the compelling reason to put the sub panel near the water heater.
I know the code allows lockable breakers, how many homeowners actually understand LOTO procedures or have the proper equipment?


Greg Fretwell
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