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#171035 11/17/07 07:11 PM
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What are the differences between all the Canadian licences.I don't even know how many there are.I see 442a,309a,309d is there a 442d?
Any one have a list with the restrictions?
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Sounds numbers specific to Ontario, try the Electrical Safety Authority web site for some clarification.

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A 309A is a Construction and Maintenance certification
A 309D is a Construction and Maintenance certification with an electronics endorsment. I do believe that is no longer available.
A 442A is an Industrial certification.
There are no other licenses unless you include the Ontario Master's certification.


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There are quite a number of "electrical trades" in Canada.

In Ontario the most common are:

309a Electrician Construction and Maintenance
309c Electrician Domestic and Rural
309d Electrician Construction and Maintenance (Electronic Control Endorsement)
442a Electrician Industrial

There are a number of high voltage, machine builders, railway, etc which are all trades.

As far as I know, In Ontario the only regulated ones is the 309a & d. All the others are non-regulated.

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What do you mean by "regulated"?

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Originally Posted by Rick Kelly
What do you mean by "regulated"?

A regulated license would be the 309 series. They must be renewed every 3 years, where as a 442 license is not regulated. It never has to be renewed.


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Thanks...

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I was talking to an ESA inspector and according to him electrical work is not regulated in the province of ontario.If it was only licensed electricians would be able to preform any electrical work.The Ontario health and safety act allows for the preformance of work by owners and competent employees not just electricians.
Further more 442A electricians who were licensed before July 2001 must still renew.Apparently 442a's were the first to pay for there classroom seat in school in leu of paying license renwal fees.He thinks it's the same for all 309a and 442a electricians who go through the government program.The only difference between the two is the type of work preformed,production as opposed to construction and both can work in either field without sanction
He is 100% positive Ontario is NOT regulated and probably never will be.This why a master electrician need not be a qualified electrician.
cheers

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"The only difference between the two is the type of work preformed,production as opposed to construction and both can work in either field without sanction"

This is not true. You cannot leagally work for an electrical contractor using a 442a license.


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I've done it and i know of many 442a electricians working in construction right now.Why does inspection allow it if it's illegal?I also see 309a in the auto plants and machine tool maintaining and building the lines.The 309a and 442a take the same school program just write a different test.I was also told the 442a replaced the 309c.One license is no better than the other.The 442a makes more money simply because they work production.In windsor ford ony hires 442a.Chrysler will only hire 309a and GM hires both this i know for a fact and there is no wage difference between the two in the plants or the construction sector.Go to Ontario Job futures and you see that some the job descriptions are the same.
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