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Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era #166315
07/17/07 08:47 PM
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steve ancient apprentice  Offline OP
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Today for the first time in my life i came accross a house that was low voltage switched. Never have I seen this before. All switching was done thru low voltage wireing to a large relay box in the attic. Low voltage actuated the relays and 120 volts went out.At first I did not know what to belive. I thought the wireing somehow was connected to bell wire. I was wrong. just wondoring how many of you have run accross this and when was it popular if ever? I was really spooked by this as I never even heard of this? Comments?

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Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: steve ancient apprentice] #166316
07/17/07 08:53 PM
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renosteinke  Offline
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Well, your time estimate is a bit off.

Low voltage wiring had a brief 'moment in the sun' in the mid-60's ... as the latest word in safety. It was particularly aimed at bath and kitchen uses. It was believed to greatly reduce the risk of electrical shock.

Just as it was getting going, along came the GFI.

Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: renosteinke] #166319
07/17/07 09:19 PM
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stamcon  Offline
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Steve, my neighbor's house across the street from me was built in either '58 or '59 and the entire house has a low voltage lighting control system. My neighbor was building the house himself and was talked into the system as being the newest and greatest thing.

steve


Steve
Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: steve ancient apprentice] #166320
07/17/07 09:52 PM
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togol  Offline
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the last time I saw that as a new install was in '76
it was used a lot in office buildings for switching 277v lighting

FWIW Pass & Seymour still makes the stuff


Tom
Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: togol] #166321
07/17/07 10:28 PM
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JoeTestingEngr  Offline
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We installed a ton of it when I helped my brother build his house in '93. It kept us from needing several 3 & 4 ways and allowed us to do some On/Off/Time delay Off switching for outdoor lighting. Our relay panel went in the basement though.
Joe

Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: JoeTestingEngr] #166322
07/17/07 10:36 PM
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macmikeman  Offline
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I still got a bunch of replacement relay's for those.

Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: macmikeman] #166326
07/18/07 06:46 AM
07/18/07 06:46 AM
electure  Offline

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"Touch Plate" lighting controls have been around since 1946. They were the state of the art for '50s era homes.
I installed them up into the early '80s.

They're still around, and still make new relays for the original design controls.

Check it out

Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: electure] #166331
07/18/07 09:09 AM
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Elec N Spec  Offline
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In the late sixties and seventies low voltage switching was popular in very high end housing because it could be used top control multiple areas or zones. One low voltage switch could be used to start a sequential relay control motor so that as it slowly turned, it would activate relay contacts that were in parallel with the normally open switches that controlled a specific room or light. I serviced a large estate in the mid seventies that had an extensive low voltage switching system. From a touch of three switches next to their bed, the home owner would start a sequence that would turn on every interior and exterior light in their home and on their entire estate. These were some very high profile people and they didn’t mind spending the money as they felt they needed the extra security. The system was comprised of at least 4 motorized zone controllers and at least 100 relays. Quite impressive for the day.

Regards………….Elec N Spec

Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: Elec N Spec] #166333
07/18/07 09:50 AM
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mamills  Offline
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I remember a General Electric LV control system which was installed in a church built in 1970. The system was used to control the sanctuary lighting. There were 12 circuits, controlled from two locations - the pulpit, and a control room at the rear of the sanctuary (which also contained the Relay enclosure, two breaker panels, 480/277 - 208/120 transformers, dimmers, and the sound system mixer/amplifiers). The controllers had two 12-position dials, one for ON and one for OFF. turn the dial to a circuit number and push to operate - or else hold the dial in and turn it to operate a number of circuits quickly.

Quite a durable system. It still works perfectly, although the sound system had to have a major re-build - lots of hum and noise from all that power equipment nearby.

Mike (mamills)

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Re: Low voltage switchedd house 1950s era [Re: mamills] #166353
07/18/07 08:18 PM
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JoeTestingEngr  Offline
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What would be a complex switching scheme otherwise, becomes a piece-o-cake in a low voltage system. Switching any number of loads on and/or off becomes a simple matter of using a diode matrix. The only limiting factor would be the additive currents of relay coils, exceeding the ampacity of switches or the power supply.

I remember building a couple of PCBs for outdoor lighting control. A tap on the off button caused a several minute off-delay while holding the button for 3 seconds turned the lights off without further delay. I could have just as easily put in a control to turn the same lights on if the dog barked. On a more practical note, those relay boards they sell that connect to a parallel printer port, and a few more diodes, would have added computer control to the matrix. Once you have 3 wires into a 2 switch combo, control possibilities are limited by your imagination instead of the number of conductors.
Joe

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