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#139832 01/02/04 10:20 PM
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Here's one I've never heard mentioned here before.

A French 230V 20A plug... I've seen these in use in France before. (looks a bit like BS546 15A)

[Linked Image from 194.98.155.193]

Adaptor for hooking up a normal 16A french plug or europlug:
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or even 2:

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3P+Ground (20A)
I've seen these on heating appliences.
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Full 3-phase with neutral and ground (32A)
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#139833 01/02/04 10:28 PM
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Single phase 20A French socket with ground: (230V)

[Linked Image from 194.98.155.193]

3-phase with ground (no neutral) Rated 20A

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3-phase with neutral: (and ground) rated 32A

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Finally this single phase socket's rated 32A!!! physically bigger than the 20A version

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I don't like the idea of unprotected receptacles on a wall-socket that size..


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#139834 01/02/04 11:27 PM
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Are you sure the shutters aren't made out of black plastic and that's why they don't come out clearly? Somewhere I think I have an adapter or something that has black shutters....

#139835 01/03/04 04:34 AM
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I remember seeing the basic single-phase 20A plugs, sockets, and adapters in Carrefour and the other big supermarket chains.

I can't remember whether the receptacles had shutters or not.

#139836 01/03/04 11:00 AM
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The newer ones definitely do though.

Does any other country regularly use 20A fittings?

I remember we had one of those on the washing machine for some reason.

What is the single phase 32A version used for? Surely you don't normally plug in a cooker?

It looks a bit like a very over-sized danish plug [Linked Image]


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#139837 01/03/04 12:06 PM
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What is the single phase 32A version used for? Surely you don't normally plug in a cooker?

I can't answer for France, but all cookers here come with a plug. The single phase version is a mere 25A.

#139838 01/03/04 12:46 PM
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IMO, it is a good thing the 3P+N+E recepticle
is comaptible with the 3P+E plug. At least is appears to be.

#139839 01/03/04 02:05 PM
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That setup seems totally alien to me from an Irish perspective.

Over here cookers are most definitely considered a fixed applience so don't ship with a plug or even a cable in most cases just a notice saying that you must call an electrician to connect it.

They're conencted with 6 - 10 mm2 3-core cable. (Brown, Blue, Green & Yellow striped) and generally not UK style twin + earth in modern installations.

In general in Ireland anything that requires more than 13 A (or 16A in some instances e.g. workshops where CEE 17 is used) is hardwired for single phase anyway.

Any physically fixed appliences are normally connected via a fused and switched connection unit rather than a plug and socket. This would include things like wall-mounted convector heaters, fan heaters, hand dryers, etc etc. We often use these connectors for things that should not be plugged out like PABX systems, and IT equipment like file servers etc... can be quite useful on a UPS system.

3-phase is extremely rare in domestic installations other than where it is used to supply several heavy single-phase heating circuits, in which case it would be hardwired anyway.

In commercial / industrial setups red CEE-17 plug and socket system is used for 3-phase there is no alternative national connector system available.

Do most EU countries have these kind of "supersized" domestic electrical fittings?

#139840 01/04/04 05:41 AM
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I was just looking at our hob:

Strange wiring arrangement:

There is a flexible cable hardwired into the bottom of the hob with 5 cores

L1
L2
N1
N2
E

It is then up to the insaller / consumer to decide on 1 of 3 ways of hooking it up

Either:
16A - 400V
L1 - L1
L2 - L2
N1+N2 - N
E - E

2 X 16A 230V (2 seperate 16A MCBs or fuses)
Circuit 1:
L1, N1
Circuit 2:
L2, N2
E - protective earth.

Or 32A 230V (which is how it is wired)

L1+L2 connected to L
N1+N2 connected to N
E - protective earth.

feeding back to 1 X 32A breaker for the hob.
(the oven has its own 32A circuit seperately connected)

It's a French branded cooker (De Detrich)

I presume in France it would just be plugged in with a 3 phase plug?

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I've seen the same setup on a Bosch cooktop. Who uses two 16A circuits? It seems like a weird setup!

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