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Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122824
01/22/06 07:21 AM
01/22/06 07:21 AM
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iwire  Offline OP
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North Attleboro, MA USA
Here are some pictures of an EBU and the battery that goes with it.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

I am interested in what others think here.

I do not believe the use of a proper size replacement battery from another maker voids anything.

I do notice that the sticker placed on the battery conveniently covers the voltage and amp hour rating.

While on the subject of voltage can anyone tell me the output voltage and wattage of this unit?

Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
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Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122825
01/22/06 09:47 AM
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pauluk  Offline
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Looks like it's 16W / 6V.
http://niles4.ebiz.grainger.com/images/catalog/395/756.pdf

And why on earth couldn't Lithonia have stuck their label on the back on the battery so it doesn't obscure the markings?

Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122826
01/22/06 10:09 AM
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iwire  Offline OP
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Paul that is my point. [Linked Image]

Lithonia intentionally covered the markings and left the units label vague except for some warnings about voiding the listing and warranty as a sales tool.

I know I can get that battery cheaper from a local battery shop than from Lithonia.

It is obvious that battery was not 'custom made' for that unit so to say the listing and warranty will be void is a load of ....

Notice the second caution on the units label.

Than look for the units rated output. [Linked Image]


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122827
01/22/06 12:36 PM
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BigJohn  Offline
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Quote
Operates installed lamps for 90 min.
What a bunch of garbage. So apparently it's output is Operating-Lamps? Is that an English or SI unit of measure? Is it going to replace the Watt? [Linked Image]

-John

Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122828
01/22/06 01:06 PM
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Rewired  Offline
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Yep think thats a load of you know what.. I have NEVER had anyone when I worked at the supplier want a battery for an emergi-pack from the factory...
Just for kicks though " warrenty" is spelled wrong... is it not spelled
"Warranty"?

Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122829
01/22/06 01:35 PM
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Larry Fine  Offline
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The label covering the factory markings is not important for operation. As long as you match the voltage, either 6 or 12, a new battery will have at least the same AH rating. A voltmeter on the battery will tell you the voltage.

The UL and warranty concerns matter only as far as they matter to whom they matter. On a warranty claim, Lithonia has the edge, as it's their nickel. Between us, I'd use a cheaper replacement if it was my nickel.


Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.
fineelectricco.com
Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122830
01/22/06 02:59 PM
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resqcapt19  Offline
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I can't imagine the warrantee lasting longer than the battery!!!!
Don


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Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122831
01/22/06 03:19 PM
01/22/06 03:19 PM
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iwire  Offline OP
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Don I had not thought of that angle but I am sure you are correct. [Linked Image]

My real problem with this is using the UL listing as a bat.

They did not even tell us the wattage and voltage of the installed lamps, their part number.


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122832
01/22/06 05:04 PM
01/22/06 05:04 PM
renosteinke  Offline
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Iwire, I agree. One thing we must all understand: ONLY UL gets to speak for UL. Not you, me, the AHJ, Lithonia, or anyone else.

A listing will not be voided if listed, or classified, or recognised, components are used. Whetehr the part is called one thing or another depends on the specifice of the part.

Even if a differing part is used, according to UL, the listing is not actually "voided." It simply enters the "we don't know" category. That is, UL cannot itself say the listing was voided without evaluating the modification.

Re: Us Our Parts or Void the UL Listing #122833
01/23/06 12:04 AM
01/23/06 12:04 AM
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sandsnow  Offline
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Irvine, CA, USA
If it is being used as an emergency luminaire as required by the building code, then I would require a replacement part as spec'd by manufacturer.

I understand your point Bob, and practically I agree. My job requires I look down the road to "what if someone can't see to get out of a building?"

I would not want my name on the permit approving something other than a spec'd replacement part.Especially when the forensics team finds out and it goes to court.

Then again, we don't require permits to replace luminaire batteries.


Larry LeVoir
Inspector
City of Irvine, CA
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