ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
ShoutChat
Recent Posts
Back From Retirement
by Bill Addiss - 08/16/22 09:19 AM
Upside Down ThreeWay
by gfretwell - 08/12/22 12:30 AM
Load Calcs for EVs and RVs
by gfretwell - 08/12/22 12:24 AM
Wiring method choice
by HotLine1 - 08/10/22 03:39 PM
NEC- 314.23 (H) (1)
by renosteinke - 08/10/22 11:13 AM
New in the Gallery:
240/208 to a house
240/208 to a house
by wa2ise, October 9
Now you know.
Now you know.
by Tom_Horne, September 7
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 37 guests, and 14 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#119436 12/27/04 06:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,671
Likes: 2
Admin Offline OP
Administrator
Member
(submitted via Joe Tedesco)
Quote
While troubleshooting an open ground condition on a circuit in my home, I looked in my panel for the first time...jaw hits floor.

Dorbell transformer inside panel (at bottom)
1 pri lead from x-former wrapped around a wire at breaker, other lead wire-nutted to one of the ground wires sticking out of wire bug
Nothing about this panel very neat or workmanlike
Black friction tape on service neutral
Many grounds too short to reach GND/Neut bar, all wire-bugged to #10 GND of dryer cable
Too much outer jacket insulation on main cable, leads too long
30A dp breaker for hot water tank, using 12-2 w/ gnd wire
Panel not clearly or properly labeled
Master bedroom, livingroom, bathroom, and 1 duplex receptacle in small bedroom all on one circuit (20A) with all 15A receptacles, 15 of them
No separate lighting circuits
White "hot" lead for hot water tank not re-identified
One strand of grounding electrode conductor peeled back and wrapped around other strands (couldn't fit all of them in the hole?)
Front porch light and rest of small bedroom receptacles on same circuit (at opposite ends of house)


Barry P.
western NY state
[Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by Webmaster (edited 12-27-2004).]

#119437 12/27/04 07:02 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 81
V
Member
That looks like SER cable not SEU. So why would they use the bare neureal and not the insulated white wire which has been cut off

#119438 12/27/04 08:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 51
B
Member
VELECT and/or others:

Please tell more on the SER/SEU cable issue, I do not recall seeing any conductors cut off. I did look at it pretty closely. The un-insulated conductor actually looked to me as if it was really for use as a grounding conductor? I know very little about service cable. Thanks.

This pic was posted maybe 2 months ago on this forum titled "Lots of panelboard problems here", by Joe. I took the pic, it's my house.

Was it so awful, Joe, that you couldn't resist posting it again? I'm sure you've seen worse! Thanks, again, though.

I have since cleaned up this panel:

Cut all extra wire out, routed wires neater.
Removed bell transformer.
Wrapped white tape over the black tape on the grounded conductor.
Re-identified white wire from breaker with red tape, until I can run some #10-3 and use the red and black.

Had an updated picture, but lost it in a computer crash.
Will take updated photo when I am able to borrow a digital camera again.


Link Copied to Clipboard
Featured:

Tools for Electricians
Tools for Electricians
 

* * * * * * *

2020 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2020 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Potseal
Potseal
Saskatchewan
Posts: 264
Joined: February 2013
Top Posters(30 Days)
BigB 6
Popular Topics(Views)
295,111 Are you busy
226,711 Re: Forum
211,866 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5