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#110708 06/10/06 04:07 PM
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Crikey,
This is about as slack as it gets!. [Linked Image]
I especially like the RTV seal/cable gland in the corner of the sink.

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#110709 06/12/06 01:24 PM
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What and/or where in the NEC makes this installation illegal?

Is the grommet the only issue?

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#110710 06/12/06 08:31 PM
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The lack of a grommet, to protect the cord from abrasion, is certainly an issue.

Also, while some may debate whether the code would allow a cord to be the disconnecting means, the code certainly does not allow the cord to pass through a wall or partition- and I think the counter would qualify!

Finally, the receptacle would be part of a "small appliance" circuit. Considering the current draw of a water heater, I think you could challenge connecting the heater to it.

Oddly enough, overseas I often saw small water heaters mounted just above sinks- they gave just wnough water, just hot enough, for hand washing. I don't believe the NEC would have any problems with that arrangement.

#110711 06/13/06 09:34 AM
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Small 5l or 10 l (roughly 1 1/4 or 2 1/2 gal.) hot water tank heaters (under and over sink mont) are quite common. Usually 1500W, connected via cord and plug. Personally I don't like them.

#110712 06/15/06 08:44 AM
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I agree with renosteinke; no grommet is not right, and especially a cord through the counter is not right. Whoever's in charge of the Church building committee needs to change this. The hole could either be plugged or a soap dispenser could be placed there.


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#110713 06/16/06 10:34 AM
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If I had to guess, Texas, I'd guess that this kitchen was re-modeled. I suspect that the original sink was a single basin (to one side of the receptacle), and that the cord goes to a garbage disposall under the sink.
(How the disposall is switched is anyone's guess!) ~renosteinke
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That does not appear to be true either. It's obvious that those cabinets and counter are at least as old as the 1970s, as well as the faucet.

Unless that outlet was there even before that, I would suspect it was always like that. The GFCI, however was obviously added fairly recently, so the original outlet install was not even GFCI protected.

#110714 06/16/06 10:40 AM
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Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of church installations are done by well meaning but seriously misguided people - usually on a volunteer basis.

~Mike (mamills)
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Too true. In my experience alot of church installations are apparently done by volunteers. The stage lighting and sound installations can be quite interesting.

The kitchens are usually cobelled together of tables and old cabinets and appliances that were scavenged for free.

You can certainly find some interesting stuff, esp in older churches.

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