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#108856 12/23/03 06:39 PM
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Here are two pictures of a piece of equipment that came over from another one of our buildings. It's an air dryer for compressed air. As you can see, they didn't want to use fuses, so they came up with a more "practical" idea!!! We had the company photographer take these pictures so we could have this mess documented in case there were any problems with the equipment.

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#108857 12/23/03 09:39 PM
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Those clips have to be stretched or squeezed...9/16-inch copper tubing doesn't exist.

But, there is a correct product for the job—Bussmann "NTN-R30" for 30A 250V swithces.

[This message has been edited by Bjarney (edited 12-23-2003).]

#108858 12/23/03 10:42 PM
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Let me make it clear that this is how the equiment came over from one of our other buildings and this is what we found when we came to do the electrical install. This is NOT how we left it. We wanted it documented that the equipment arrived like this, hence we had the company photographer take pictures.
We did the install and corrected any and all pre-existing violations, including changing the disconnect and installing the proper size fuses.
My point was how they could have run this equipment like this in our other building located in New Jersey.

#108859 12/23/03 11:17 PM
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I see a red, blue, black and white wire entering the top of the disco, but what appears to be one white wire leaving the short piece of EMT. Am I missing something? [Linked Image]

#108860 12/23/03 11:38 PM
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That White wire wouldn't be a neutral would it?.
That terminal block at the bottom of the disconnect looks like it's segregated from the metal panel, would this be where the neutral joins with another wire that loops down to the receptacle below?. [Linked Image]

#108861 12/24/03 04:07 AM
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It looks like kind of a sleazy setup overall but was a fused disconnect required where the equipment was previously installed?

#108862 12/24/03 12:13 PM
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I see a red, blue, black and white wire entering the top of the disco, but what appears to be one white wire leaving the short piece of EMT. Am I missing something?

Looks to me as though the receptacle below the disco is tapped from the red phase and the main equipment is wired 208V delta with no neutral.

#108863 12/24/03 07:19 PM
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I've seen this done alot out here in the land of OZ. Usually on a roof mounted air handler. Found out that it was a crew run by the guy who is now my boss. He used to do this so that they could keep the units running and find the short when the wire burned up.

BTW, I am looking for other employment.

#108864 12/26/03 08:54 AM
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Per Paul
>The receptacle below the disco is tapped >from the red phase.
I'd agree, but what's the little box in between the disco and the recp?
Does that contain a 5 amp Edison base fuse for the recp?

#108865 12/26/03 04:20 PM
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The middle box looks like a Bussmann SOU listed at

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