I agree with you redsy! The guys who do all the work never get paid for it. I just found out yesterday that a machinist i know in our shop has been there 3 months less than me and makes more money than me. even though i have an associate degree in industrial electrical and am expected to keep his machine running and build projects and set new machines. as well as facilitate continous improvement and the other maint guys. and the little guys making 30,000 a year need a big bonus more than the guy who makes 100,000 a year if he cant manage that kind of money he doesnt deserve a bonus. sorry i had to vent little upset over my pay issues and what they expect out of me for pennies on the dollar.