"It appears to me that LKs position is anytime you give a customer a set price ahead of time that is flat rate."

No not at all my position, i may quote T&M and give a not to exceed, or i may work up a contract price at the office, of i may have the electrician in the field, work up the contract price, in that case some would call it flat rate, when in fact it is simply a contract worked up in the field.

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"Flat Rate" is a term used in many different ways in many different industries.

To each their own, I am certainly not suggesting anyone change their business practices.

I am trying to wake some up to the fact that the term "Flat Rate" is not the same to everyone and no matter how much you try you can not make it so.

Bob, i agree the term "Flat Rate" is not the same to everyone, and we hope this discussion, can help bring some light to the subject.