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Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86610
11/17/03 09:32 AM
11/17/03 09:32 AM
Joe Tedesco  Offline OP
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It has been brought to my attention that most EC's will use the push in terminals for plug and switches, instead of terminating conductors around the device screws.

What's your opinion?


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Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86611
11/17/03 11:08 AM
11/17/03 11:08 AM
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ThinkGood  Offline
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Milwaukee, WI
I am not an EC.

I have personally seen the effects of push-in terminated devices. (Some of my photos are posted on the board.)

If there is a screw that is used to tighten the connection, such as with the GFCI receptacles (the ones that have a back-stab hole but require the screw to tighten the connection), I don't see a problem.

If one is relying on a spring type of connection, then I would not trust it.

I have also found that the screws provided in some of the cheaper devices are almost as soft as the copper, and are not very sturdy.

If I understand correctly, 12AWG can no longer be used with push-in connections, right? Why is 14AWG permitted and not 12?...

Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86612
11/17/03 11:33 AM
11/17/03 11:33 AM
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I have done it both ways in the past. And I have to be honest, I have yet to run across a push-in connection that has failed when properly installed. Not to say that it doesn't happen. I have read about others who run across this all the time. I have seen numerous, and I will repeat NUMEROUS, recepticles that failed when the connection came loose from the screw. I have at times used the push-in connection (on 14 awg only) when pigtailing the circuit. I can only assume that the integrety of the connection lies in the ability of the installer. Also, if the device is overloaded the push-in or screw connection will fail. On the cheaper devices they loose tention and overheat with time. Many times I change all the devices in a home because they can't keep anything plugged in. I guess quality lies with the installer.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86613
11/17/03 04:28 PM
11/17/03 04:28 PM
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resqcapt19  Offline
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I never use a "pushin connection", but do use the back wired devices where the screw clamps a pressure plate against the wire.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86614
11/17/03 05:13 PM
11/17/03 05:13 PM
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iwire  Offline
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Unless it is the type Don describes I will not use them.

About the only place I have ever used the spring type is on a switch as I will know that the current load is low.


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86615
11/17/03 07:25 PM
11/17/03 07:25 PM
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txsparky  Offline
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Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
I use the screws! I have spent too many hours on service calls troubleshooting loose connections on backstabbed devices.I have also seen the scorched walls and burnt insulation on the wiring from these faulty connections. [Linked Image] My opinion...If the difference in time between backstabbing a device or using the screws, is going to make or break the job, you bid it too low to begin with.


Donnie
Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86616
11/17/03 09:49 PM
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electricman2  Offline
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Thomasville, NC USA
The first thing I look for when I get a complaint about no power on a receptacle or a loss of power on a branch circuit is a loose backstabbed connection. 99% of the time I'm right. It was worse before the restriction on wire size to #14, but I always use the terminal screw.

John


John
Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86617
11/17/03 10:11 PM
11/17/03 10:11 PM
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ga.sparky56  Offline
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young harris georgia usa
I too use the screws.I've seen several backstabs cause problems.

It doesn't take much more time when you do a few jobs that way.

Russell

Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86618
11/18/03 06:26 AM
11/18/03 06:26 AM
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sparky  Online Content
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I would personally like to thank UL for the continued buisiness i recieve from thier blatant inepptitude

carry on fellas!

~S~

Re: Push In Terminals versus Screw Terminations? #86619
11/18/03 08:01 AM
11/18/03 08:01 AM
Joe Tedesco  Offline OP
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Look here!

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