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Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83109
01/13/03 09:59 PM
01/13/03 09:59 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
Mighta dreamed it, or read it somewhere else, or was told by somebody here...

Anyway... Can't find it in the NEC (doesn't mean it ain't in there though)

The scenario: (cut to the chase already!)

A GC has the basement ready and is laying trussed floor. The MDP will be in the basement, Meterbase directly behind and 4'+ above grade. Most AHJs consider this a back-to-back, so I hope the new inspector agrees.

I digress...

They want the service powered up ASAP, to eliminate the generator use, but won't have the dwelling dried in for another few weeks IF the weather is good (don't count on it this year).

I thought I read somewhere, that there was an exception for equipment regarding 3R rating when the wet location is a temporary deal, but the service and MDP are in the permanent location.

In other words, no need to put a 3R in the basement of a house just because it ain't dried in yet.

My new AHJ (first time calling him) wants me to build a temporary box around it complete with a hinged door, with reasonable weather-proofing, and he'd be OK with it.

What is accepted in your area in this case?

What options might I have?

Does said exception exist at all?



[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 01-13-2003).]

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Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83110
01/13/03 10:20 PM
01/13/03 10:20 PM
rmiell  Offline
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 242
La Junta, Co. USA
I believe Article 312.2(A) is what you are looking for. I seem to remember that the handbook mentions something about using plastic wrapped around a panelboard would meet this code article, since it is temporary, and a damp location, not wet.

I will try to find the aticle in the handbook Wednesday.

Rick Miell

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83111
01/13/03 10:42 PM
01/13/03 10:42 PM
harold endean  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
Boonton, NJ

I agree that if you can "weatherproof" the MDP in the basement temporarily until the building is sealed in, Then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Would the service be "safed" off though? If the building isn't weather tight, maybe someone can get inside of the building and fool around with the service equip. You would want to make sure that it is safed off.

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83112
01/13/03 11:42 PM
01/13/03 11:42 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
Harold, I mean no offense, but... Safed off?


We leave our keys in the ignition around here in case someone needs to move our vehicle. Our houses don't even have locks.

I could add a hasp and lock to the wooden cover and the panel cover would, of course, be installed.

I've never seen any MDP locked around here.

When a local supplier was moving to a new building, the goods were scattered between the two locales. Often you'd be told just to "Pick it up at the old place, and tell us later what you got" when an item wasn't at hand in the new store.

Culture shock?

The real concern I guess is weather damage and corrosion.

I do appreciate the input and perspective of others as always!


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Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83113
01/14/03 12:00 AM
01/14/03 12:00 AM
iwire  Offline
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA

Where do you live and what century is it there [Linked Image]

Just kidding I would like to live there,
it sounds great.

Some of the service calls I go on I take a Helper to sit in the truck to watch the tools (this is true)


Bob Badger
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Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83114
01/14/03 01:09 AM
01/14/03 01:09 AM
txsparky  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
Sounds like a nice place to live [Linked Image]
I don't see any reason why you would need 3R if you can keep it relatively dry with a temporary shelter of some sorts

I know what your talking about.I did a job in Houston that the plumbers actually tied a German Shepard to their truck to keep the thieves at bay [Linked Image]

On the flip side,I have a deer lease 150 miles north of Houston where we don't ever lock the cabin on and we also leave our 4 wheelers parked there. [Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 01-14-2003).]

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83115
01/14/03 03:11 AM
01/14/03 03:11 AM
C-H  Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,497
Stockholm, Sweden
A few months ago I "caught" two burglars red handed. When I yelled at them, one of the guys just shouted "f**k off" and they went on. (I wasn't in a position to do anything about it.)

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83116
01/14/03 05:00 AM
01/14/03 05:00 AM
Gwz  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 197
Would 110.11 and 110.12(C) cover your question?

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83117
01/14/03 07:54 AM
01/14/03 07:54 AM
Wirenuttt  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 267
About 10 years ago a friend of mine got divorced. Left his 3 bed rm home to his X and 3 kids. Moved to Lawrence, Ma. Rented a 1 bed rm on a main drag. One morning he woke up to the sound of a car alarm. Looked down from the 2nd floor to see his van slider open. They cleaned him out. He didn't know when in the night they got in and couldn't understand why the police didn't notice being a main street.

Re: Wild Goose Chase and another Phantom Code #83118
01/14/03 05:00 PM
01/14/03 05:00 PM
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Wirenutt, Mistake #1: Moving to Lawrence!

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