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do you wire a bar area the same as a kitchen ? #50280
03/28/05 06:00 PM
03/28/05 06:00 PM
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toddyh  Offline OP
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I have been wiring bar areas just as I do kitchens with 2 circuits on the counter top. Do I need to do that? Some one was telling me I do not and I asked the inspector and he never gave me a straight answer. If you have a article number that would be great thank you guys.
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Re: do you wire a bar area the same as a kitchen ? #50281
03/28/05 07:10 PM
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If there are no facillities for cooking food I don't believe this is a "kitchen". The only requirement is the GFCI assuming this is a "wet" bar. It could be served from a general lighting circuit IMHO. Certainly nobody will complain about having extra capacity but I doubt 4800va is justified.


Greg Fretwell
Re: do you wire a bar area the same as a kitchen ? #50282
03/28/05 07:14 PM
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Celtic  Offline
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A blender, a microwave, a lamp on the bar...who knows what else?
If you put in an outlet, the owner(comm. or home) will find something to plug into it!


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Re: do you wire a bar area the same as a kitchen ? #50283
03/28/05 10:42 PM
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The only reference to wet bar sinks is 210.8(A)(7).

I do not know of a reference in the NEC that even requires the wet bar counter to have receptacles, let alone having 2 circuits.


Branch circuits required - 210.11(C)

Receptacles required - 210.52

no mention of wet bars in these sections.


Pierre Belarge
Re: do you wire a bar area the same as a kitchen ? #50284
03/29/05 02:39 AM
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e57  Offline
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Of course there should be 2 circuits!

One for each blender - Margarita's and Daquerie's


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