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#22851 - 03/05/03 04:54 PM sudsy question  
ikauffma  Offline
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Waynesboro, PA USA
This is probably a silly question. I am adding an outlet to a circuit in my garage. I'm putting up 1/2" plastic conduit and it will have some 45 degree bends in it to get around a drain pipe. I'm using one #12/2 NM for the new run. Is it o.k. to use just a drop of liquid soap, like Dial or something, to help get that wire through the pipe? I wasn't sure if it would harm anything or go against any code.



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#22852 - 03/05/03 04:56 PM Re: sudsy question  
SvenNYC  Offline
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There is a lubricant specifically made for this purpose. I believe it's water-based so it won't damage the insulation...

I've read not to use soap or vaseline or any such make-shift pulling lubes...because they may react with the wire's insulation and slowly decay it.

#22853 - 03/05/03 05:10 PM Re: sudsy question  
jlhmaint  Offline
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Fredericktown, OH, U.S.A
not to mention soap will set up like concrete inside that conduit so if you ever have a problem or want to change something you are SOL!

#22854 - 03/05/03 05:42 PM Re: sudsy question  
ikauffma  Offline
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Waynesboro, PA USA
SvenNYC and jlhmaint;

Thanks for the info! It's only a five foot length of pipe, but I wanted to make sure I didn't cause any problems by using soap. Thanks again!


#22855 - 03/06/03 07:28 AM Re: sudsy question  
zapped208  Offline
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Somewhere in USA
It's not worth it to go out and buy a tube of wire pulling lube, just to sleeve a piece of NM 5 feet. Just strip most of it and it should go right through. Maybe if you know a sparky, he will give you some.

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#22856 - 03/06/03 08:11 AM Re: sudsy question  
Joe Tedesco  Offline
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Boston, Massachusetts USA
The UL Directory includes the following information on the type of material that should be used in order to show compliance with the requirements of the NEC.

Listed Wire-pulling Compounds


This category covers wire-pulling compounds intended for use as lubricants in installing electrical conductors in raceways. These compounds have been investigated to determine their compatibility with conductor insulation and coverings.

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

#22857 - 03/06/03 09:53 AM Re: sudsy question  
rowdyrudy  Offline
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Mascoutah, IL USA
Before factory made lubs, the accepted method was Lux Flakes or Ivory Flakes. No damage was ever reported and the residue after drying was powdery. I used them many times working with my Dad and Brothers.

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