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#183533 - 01/13/09 03:15 AM LIPA Temp for SVC?  
petey_c  Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 62
Miller Place, NY USA
Got a call by way of a contractor I've started to work for recently, from a HO. He stated that he'd had a problem with the EC who installed his underground svc. After the service was cut by another contractor who was installing patio pavers, LIPA (Long Island Power Authority) was called in to temp out a new feed. I got there last Friday and the ground was frozen solid (and will probably remain so for awhile yet). We agreed that he should probably wait until it warms up some. I walked around the exterior of the house to where the service came in and saw this:
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LIPA's feed ran along the fence to the middle of the property where it ran up a utility pole (then overhead, out to the street). The feed ran right through the face of the meter pan. I'd asked how long ago this happened (expecting a week or so...) and was told March of 2008! LIPA didn't even put the line on the fence, they left it on the ground! The HO moved it up there.

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I contacted a friend who works for LIPA, explained the situation and was told that it was their policy to leave it on the ground and they normally give the HOs x# of days to fix it! Holy liability batman! I don't understand how a POCO would risk that even for a couple of days.
Did a temp overhead SVC until the HO decides if they want to keep the OH or repair/replace the underground. The HO also told me he never got a copy of the inspection cert and the EC isn't returning his calls, so I don't even know (yet) if it's legal.

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#183539 - 01/13/09 11:55 AM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: petey_c]  
jdevlin  Offline
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 402
welland ontario canada
He is getting free power. What's the hurry to get it fixed?

#183541 - 01/13/09 01:51 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: jdevlin]  
Ann Brush  Offline
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 152
Shame on LIPA. I assume their meter reader has been to the residence several times to look for a meter reading and should / would have reported this so they cant say they don't know about it. Does the reader care?

I had a new service entrance installed due to an upgrade needed as result of a new hot-tub, the EC replaced the SE cable and attached it to the triplex at the weather head using temp connectors with hex grub screws. The POCO reconnected the power that day (it was killed at the pole) and then they said they would return to replace the temp connectors with crimped aluminum ones. They did so 7 months later and replaced the meter at the same time (new digital display). But of course I was paying for power as the old mechanical meter was still in place. So I guess it takes time but this is an extreme example.

#183543 - 01/13/09 02:11 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: Ann Brush]  
petey_c  Offline
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 62
Miller Place, NY USA
jdevlin, At first I figured that since the meter was on the ground, that's the way the HO justified not contacting LIPA. I asked her and she said that the POCO has been billing her. I guess using estimated bills. But, they've got two young kids. I wouldn't put my kids' lives at risk to save some money (even at LIPA's rates).

#183550 - 01/13/09 10:53 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: petey_c]  
HotLine1  Offline

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,809
Brick, NJ USA
I've seen a few similar over the years. All in BUD areas, failed line/neutral, temped out like your pics. And, yes, the estimated bills arrive every month. The POCO's have there own 'rules'!

In present time, this still happens,'s addressed quickly! Both POCO's (JCP&L & PSE&G). I must say..PSE&G addresses BUD issues within 12-24Hrs; OH (utility owned)is addressed by the trouble lineman when the emergency is called in.


#183595 - 01/15/09 06:05 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: HotLine1]  
mamills  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
I would certainly not be very happy with the quality of workmanship on this installation (the temporary triplex not withstanding). The slightly crooked meter can and the poorly lined-up conduit fittings beneath show very low regard for quality.

Mike (Mamills)

#183598 - 01/15/09 07:47 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: mamills]  
WireNuts29  Offline
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 85
Mass, U.S.A.
what the heck kind of fitting is that on the right pvc ? never seen that before. national grid would not connect to that up here either fix it or no power, simple.

#183600 - 01/15/09 08:51 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: WireNuts29]  
mbhydro  Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 347
Winnipeg MB Canada
We get frozen ground up here in Manitoba and in a URD served subdivisions the utility will bring in the SucTruck subcontractor with a steamer to slot trench the ground to make a repair.

If its a URD optional area I have seen them set a pole on the property if required for clearence and have the HO go to overhead service. Never have I seen a line left on the ground into the meter can though.

#183601 - 01/15/09 09:30 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: HotLine1]  
packrat56  Offline
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 76
MT, U.S.
Out of curiosity I checked to see what the NEC would say about this "temporary service." Since it was installed on March 2008 as a temporary service that would violate the 90 day time rule of Article 590.3(B) and the way that service cable has been run violates the 10Ft clearance rule of Article 230.24(B)(1). Plus the sight of how the cable's been connected to the meter socket is rather frightening, that's got unsafe written all over it.

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#183603 - 01/15/09 10:13 PM Re: LIPA Temp for SVC? [Re: packrat56]  
HotLine1  Offline

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,809
Brick, NJ USA
Utility (POCO'S) are not covered by the NEC. They are in the NESC. Yes, OH clearances are within NEC, but it's the EC's responsibility to install the drop hook at the proper height. The EC's have to contact the POCO here for a service location/meter location, and the POCO tech determines the min/max hook height.

Please note that I am in no way defending this 'temp', nor the POCO; and I agree it is a danger & should never have been around as long as the OP said.


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