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Spa Panel #109200
06/07/03 10:34 PM
06/07/03 10:34 PM
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This panel is mounted about a foot above grade, and serves an above ground spa.
It gets sprinklered daily in the flowerbed.
Unfortunately, I had to turn this work down, as the owner wanted me to only replace a relay in the spa, and thought the rest was OK....S
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Re: Spa Panel #109201
06/08/03 01:37 PM
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If it wasn’t able to kill people, it's almost humorous that 5 circuit-breaker poles could be in such sad condition... from their environment and just a little help from a so-called "electrician." Maybe someday more people will understand just how water makes electrical stuff so much more deadly. It’s sobering to realize that someone’s inept few minutes inside a small electrical enclosure can so easily create a death trap for the next 30 years.

{Once again, sometimes you gotta' laugh to keep from crying.}




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Re: Spa Panel #109202
06/09/03 06:10 AM
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electure,
Kudos for "doing the right thing".

Re: Spa Panel #109203
06/09/03 02:30 PM
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nice job!!!!!!

hope you wiped your finger prints off it!!

Re: Spa Panel #109204
06/09/03 05:16 PM
06/09/03 05:16 PM
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Ventura, CA, USA
This looks just like my pool pump panel. I turned it on one day, just after the timer clicked it off. Heard that nice chattering and saw smoke. Further investigation revealed that the CB had melted the leads off the buss bar. I am now replacing the whole thing.

The pump that pulled 12 amps was wired with a 40 amp breaker. The other pump that pulls 10 amps was wired with a 30 amp breaker.

Needless to say I abondoned this and am putting in a new panel.

Somehow the people who wired in pulled in 4 #8s solid in 1/2" sealtite. Not to mention the green gound that was too short, so the spliced it with a red wire to the ground buss in the panel.

Scott

Re: Spa Panel #109205
06/10/03 06:01 PM
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Two of those breakers look like they were rescued from a concrete pour mid-cure.

Re: Spa Panel #109206
06/11/03 08:56 AM
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Am I just seeing things or are those red and blue wires going into the neutral buss with the white wires going into the breakers? [Linked Image]

Imagine trying to change a device on one of those circuits, throwing the breaker and thinking that the branch under repair is dead....

Re: Spa Panel #109207
06/12/03 08:21 AM
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Wharton, Texas, USA
I'm assuming that the oversized-looking single pole breaker in there is a GFCI, in which case there should be a line neutral (probably that curly white wire) and a load neutral, also white (I hope). But there are definitely colored wires on the neutral buss. Can anyone see the service conductor for the neutral in here, along with the two hot legs? I can see where it's supposed to be, but it doesn't look like it's there.

For this little box to be capable of holding six SP breakers, it sure seems awful small and tight.

Lots of deterioration going on in there from exposure to the elements, natural and man-made.

Mike (mamills)

Re: Spa Panel #109208
06/12/03 08:04 PM
06/12/03 08:04 PM
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Fullerton, CA USA
The grounded conductor for the GFCI is that brown wire with the white tape on it. It was just brown on the other end...S

Re: Spa Panel #109209
06/12/03 09:01 PM
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Los Angeles, CA, USA
Speaking of colored wires on the bus, you would think with all the available spots, the silly bugger might have resisted the urge to double lug that orange(red?) and blue wire! [Linked Image]

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